Flood Alert …… Arsenal’s defence to triumph at ‘Pool

Today’s early kick off sees the good guys travel up to Anfield, risking hub caps and (pockets to be picked) in search of three points to sustain the title challenge that was comfortably dismissed as a flash in the pan by the so called experts back in September when we had the temerity to top the table.

Where am i ?

Where am I ?

Following the football cliché of “taking each game as it comes” nothing will be said about the following games so looking at the form of the ‘dippers/mug smashers (delete as applicable) we see they have won 3, lost 2 and drawn 2 of their last 7 games.

It would be remiss of me not to point out both those losses were to the oil slick teams (CSKA Fulham Bus stop and Abu Dhabi FC, or maybe that should be the Amoco Cadiz and the Torrey Canyon) and one of those wins was a resounding thumping of the Toffees 4 zip so this calls for the Arsenal to be at their sharpest.

Having said that our form over that same period is 6 wins and a draw so I would expect home advantage to be the only thing that may tilt the bookies odds away from us.

The team news for our opponents is that four defenders are unavailable, Johnson, Sakho , Enrique and Agger, while Leiva misses out in midfield. Much will depend on how the axis of Henderson, Gerrard and Coutinho perform assuming Rogers picks the obvious first XI. To my eyes Henderson has been improving whilst Gerrard seems to be slowing and perhaps is being picked for non-footballing reasons.

At the moment the ‘dippers strength is up front with everyone’s favourite cannibal leading the scoring stats for the Premier League by a hefty distance, ably assisted by the slightly sulky Sturridge, an Anelka in the making perhaps.

Turning to the Arsenal the only change to the squad from the Palace match, my first without seeing any of the AA crew at the Tavern beforehand, will be the addition of Wilshere to the squad, most likely in place of Zelalem.

The back five picks itself except for the left full back position where I think Wenger will plump for Gibbs who will be able to deal with pace of Saurez/Sterling/Sturridge a bit better than Nacho man.

In the middle I would like to see Wilshere, Özzy and Rosicky with Santi, Prince Poldi and Olly up top, although I think Wenger will pick this team:

pool v arse

Tactical bollix wise I would suggest exploiting the ‘dippers main weakness, their defence and strangling their midfield so that their lethal front three are forced to drop deep to pick up the ball.

After Kolo’s howler that resulted in two dropped points against the Baggies last week confidence may not be sky high along the back line so early pressing of the centre backs of the day is in order.

Despite my good natured ribbing of today’s opponents above I don’t dislike them terribly, nothing like the contempt I feel for that Salford team or the Orcs for example. They serve as salutary tale for a once top drawer club that, from the heyday of the 70’s and early 80’s, allowed themselves to fall from grace and only now seem to be, possibly, climbing back to the top. I remember bonding with a group of their supporters, in a bar near Charing Cross before a Scorpions gig, over our mutual hatred of ManUre.

A perfect combination of Polynesian and Scandinavian

A perfect combination of Polynesian and Scandinavian

In that same era as an adolescent in Essex I was mainly aware of two things, football and developing early crushes on actresses, in particular one Maren Jensen, of Danish and Hawaiian parentage.

She was the first in a long line of such crushes that made the male-female polarity dilemma such a feature of my teenage years.

Remembering how topsy-turvy the late 70’s were, I’d also not want another aspect of that era to return, namely a period of Liverpool dominance.

Wenger will know what is required to win at Anfield and if I could say anything to him regarding his preparation I would like him to attempt to nullify our opponent’s strengths, so we can then concentrate on our game.

Whoever starts for us tomorrow will no doubt know that we(and they) want the 3 points – make it so.

UTA !

By ChärybdÏß1966 (on Twitter @charybdis1966)

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286 Responses to Flood Alert …… Arsenal’s defence to triumph at ‘Pool

  1. Norfolk Gooner says:

    ‘morning AAers, well done Chary-me-boy a pre-match to get the juices flowing.

    The weather could play a big part in today’s game, strong winds and heavy rain are forecast, so the outcome could be a bit of a lottery.

    Off subject slightly, The Telegraph has an interview of Olly G by Smiffy and also a piece, again by Smiffy, about the ’89 match when Micky did it, both worth a read.

  2. Norfolk Gooner says:

    Bimey! it’s quiet on here, is there a match on or something?

    Oh well! How a bout a little story?

    An Italian husband and wife were having dinner at a very fine restaurant when this absolutely stunning young woman comes over to their table, gives the husband a big open-mouthed kiss, then says she’ll see him later and walks away.

    The wife glares at her husband and says, “Who was that?”
    “Oh,” replies the husband, “she’s my mistress.”

    “Well, that’s the last straw,” says the wife. “I’ve had enough, I want a divorce!”

    “I can understand that,” replies her husband, “but remember, if we get a divorce it will mean no more shopping trips to Paris, no more wintering in Barbados, no more summers in Tuscany , no more Jaguar in the garage and no more yacht club. No more credit card and large Bank accounts. But…. The decision is all yours.”

    Just then, a mutual friend enters the restaurant with a gorgeous babe on his arm.

    “Who’s that woman with Tony?” asks the wife.

    “That’s his mistress,” says her husband.

    “Ours is prettier,” she replies.

  3. chas says:

    Excellent, Chary.
    Once you take out their four defenders, the only one I can think of left is Kolo. Slice a steak off of that and sling it on the barbie.

    I can’t say I think much of the totty, a real masculine jaw.
    A bit like yours, now I come to think of it. :)

  4. arnie says:

    Lovely stuff, Chary, I was nervously clinging on to the edge of my duvet. But now I feel sufficiently energized to get up and find a place to watch the game. BT Sport is it? I agree with FGG, I hate BT Sport! :D :D

    The team looks nice. You have hit the nail nicely on the head. Two key areas. Our defence and our midfield. Both are our strong points. We need to boss the midfield today and challenge for the ball any time out of possession. This to me is key. This has to be done with good link-up play between defence and midfield. This area has been a bit iffy in the past, but we are improving. If we are able to do this without falling all the way back to our box, then we will challenge opposition defence as well. This is where their weakness lies. Our defence will be solid as usual. A bit of a cliche, but the game will be won and lost in the midfield.

    On with the show!!!! :D :D :D

  5. Charybdis1966 says:

    Motning all, Norfolk I think the motning crew are all off surfing or something. No doubt they’ll surface nearer kick off time.

  6. chas says:

    NG,
    I like the punchline but I thought divorce meant……

    More shopping trips to Paris, more wintering in Barbados, more summers in Tuscany, more Jaguars in the garage and more yacht club. More credit card and even larger Bank accounts.

    Well that’s what BR and GM told me, anyway.

  7. Charybdis1966 says:

    Agree Arnie, the ‘dippers defence is a but ropey and their midfield not as good as ours.

  8. Charybdis1966 says:

    Ha ha Chas, my taste was all over the place when I was 13. 😱

  9. kelsey says:

    Well done for stepping in Chary and a nice tale NG :)

    This is only an observation but the so called morning crew put up about 50 comments this morning and now hush.

    Yesterday there were only 18 comments from The Friday Round up until well past 14.00 then the momentum started again

    Is there any reason why the New Post couldn’t be put up much earlier in the morning either by an owner or moderator or by automation.
    I know a few of the regulars are on a different time zone but don’t you think it is worth considering.

    I think Rosicky will start with Jack on the bench otherwise the team looks good.

  10. Danny says:

    Nearly exactly 31 years ago, Radford’s goal gives me goosebumps every time. Definitely in my top 10 favorite Arsenal goals.

  11. Sav from Australia says:

    Thanks for the preview Chary. I’m not sure about the travelling support but I’m happy for an early kick-off down here in Sydney. Kickoff in just over an hour and a half…getting a bit tense now.

  12. arnie says:

    Danny. Great stuff, thanks a lot. :D :D :D Now that everyone has seen that game, no complaints about weather conditions today please. :D :D And traffic conditions, likewise. :razz:

  13. chas says:

    Great goal, Danny.
    Coleman got it wrong about the ball running kindly off the defender, didn’t he?
    Also, a lot of today’s footballers would have fallen over Clemence’s despairing lunge even though it was outside the penalty area.

  14. arnie says:

    Sav: “getting a bit tense now” must be the understatement of the year. It is fecking tense, it was always going to be f**king tense. :razz: But we will prevail. :D :D :D

    Kelsey. I support your idea of getting the post up a bit earlier. :D

  15. Rasp says:

    Thanks chary, a very apposite introduction to today’s game. As many have said, this game is crucial in terms of underlining our credentials as bona fide contenders for the title.A draw would not be a terrible result. If we can control the midfield, keep their defenders pinned back and force their front three to play deep we should win. We cannot play with a high defensive line – their strikers are too quick and as good as city at counter attacking. This is a day when everyone needs to show for the ball and be on top of their game.

    I do think that pool’s confidence is more fragile than some may think so if we can get 2 in front we would just need to play sensibly – equally, don’t panic if we go one down. Olly needs to take his chances today.

  16. chas says:

    Apparently the M6 is shut and Arse fans have been advised to use the M1, though I’d imagine most would already be installed in the pub. :)

    The team coach is at Anfield.

  17. arnie says:

    Top comment, Rasp. :D

  18. kelsey says:

    some interesting stats via BBC

    MATCH FACTS

    Head-to-head

    Liverpool have won just one of the last 13 league meetings between the two sides, although seven of those ended in draws (W1, D7, L5).
    Arsenal are chasing a third successive league win at Anfield. The last time they managed that feat was between 10 February 1973 and 9 November 1974.
    Meetings between these sides have produced more hat-tricks (five) than any other Premier League fixture.

    Liverpool

    The Reds are unbeaten in their last 10 league and cup games at Anfield (W9, D1), scoring 33 goals and conceding seven in that run.
    Daniel Sturridge’s goal against West Brom was his 50th in the Premier League. He is the 10th English player to reach that landmark before turning 25.
    Sturridge has scored in 13 of his 16 league appearances this season, scoring 14 in total.
    According to Opta statistics, Liverpool have made 29 errors leading to a goal or attempt at goal this season – the most in the top flight.

    Arsenal

    The Gunners are unbeaten in eight league games (W6, D2) despite failing to score a first-half goal in seven of those matches.
    Against Crystal Palace, 10 Arsenal players ended with pass completion rates of over 90%.
    Arsenal’s tally of 26 points won away from home is the joint best in the top flight, along with Tottenham.
    Arsenal’s Wojciech Szczesny has kept 11 Premier League clean sheets – more than any other top-flight goalkeeper.

  19. kelsey says:

    I found this one interesting, possibly a post in itself

    The Gunners are unbeaten in eight league games (W6, D2) despite failing to score a first-half goal in seven of those matches.

  20. Gööner In Exile says:
  21. Gööner In Exile says:

    Chary that is exactly what I expected from you for a pre match against the bin dippers. Quality from hubcaps to cannibal.

    COYRRG

  22. chas says:
  23. chas says:
  24. RA says:

    An excellent match preview, CharyB, but just a little disappointing that compared with Kelsey’s offering there is no match result or player rating. (Of course he is busily trying to change the AA site timetable.

    Seriously though, you have a masterly Post writing style and I love it! :-)

    N.B. Leave our timetable alone, say I.

  25. Gööner In Exile says:

    I’m amazed Monreal is getting the nod over Gibbo? I think there both talented full backs.

    The only reason I can think is he likes the understanding between Santi and Nacho.

  26. dhakka09 says:

    Good morning all. Good/funny work Chary (I feel a lot less funny in real-life reading all these humorous posts here, damn you all, (just kidding))

    It’s 7 in the morning here. I feel groggy, itchy-eyed; my belly is growling for some mug-smashing eggs too. Reading your post helped me open my eyes a bit wider Chary, so thank you again.

    SAS, my ass; our defense is forged in fire and ice like a Samurai sword. It ain’t going to break to no Blood-drinker. Let’s do this (belly growls) [Alright, let's do this in half an hour then.]

  27. RA says:

    Hi Exile.

    I never thought to ask you about some of the keyboard eccentricities of the Mac, and it was a mistake, because it took me more time than I wanted to work some of them out!! :-)

  28. fatgingergooner says:

    I was slightly nervous about the game this morning but that’s now turned to excitement.

    I’m actually really looking forward to a great game of football. I pray it’s not ruined by awful decisions.

    I’m a little surprised still no Gibbs, but I do think that Monreal keeps us a little more solid as his discipline is better.

    I really want to see Özil and Cazorla dominate in between the lines and cause Gerrard a massive headache.

    I’m also looking forward to The Ox carrying on from last week.

  29. jnyc says:

    Good job chary. I see the line up, interesting, I wanted the ox in midfield to help with defense, I would have left out jack this week, but would have considered rosicky. I’m not sure how is set up. But I still love lukas and tomas as super subs. But please, Arsene, use them before 73 minutes.

    Good story norfolk. :-)

  30. Gööner In Exile says:

    RA the best option is turn on right click ( secondary click in preferences) that then reduces needs for Apple keystroke foibles

  31. chas says:
  32. chas says:

    apparently Gibbo has a slight calf strain.

  33. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Oh Dear Chary

    The quality of our “Lady of the week” has taken a nose dive. Looks like Michael Jackson :-(

    However, there is good news, completely redeemed by the quality of the post. Thank you, Metaller :-)

  34. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Credit where it’s due. 26 pulled someone up last week for nicking an Arseblog copyright, so too is Mug Smasher. Minor legal technicality.

  35. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Can’t look at the pic of the “This is Anfield” pic, without imagining the image of GG beneath it with The League Trophy ’89.

    More of the same today would be epic. Looking forward to a great game.

  36. MickyDidIt89 says:

    I’m with RA

    Where the hell is Kelsey’s Match Report Review? :-)

  37. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Ok,

    Back half time. Come on you Gunnnnners.

  38. kelsey says:

    I have three prepared Micklemouse.All angles covered.

  39. chas says:

    Micky,
    26 picked Arseblog up for nicking Rocky’s intellectual property.

  40. 26may1989 says:

    Afternoon all. Big game, very exciting. Side looks solid, plus we have the stronger bench. Liverpool will play well but I predict Mignolet to chuck another one in the net. 2-1 to us, I reckon.

  41. arnie says:

    oh dear!!!! :sad:

  42. kelsey says:

    Good stast, feck it

  43. 26may1989 says:

    Oh bollocks. Marginal offside not picked up but such is life.

  44. arnie says:

    all to do then!

  45. arnie says:

    yes, I thought so too, 26. such is life

  46. arnie says:

    oh dear, times two. pray why, oh why, should we defend so deep. no challenge at all before the ball comes into the box!!!!! :sad:

  47. 26may1989 says:

    Now that’s a disaster.

    Bloody hell.

  48. arnie says:

    should really have been 0-3. where is our midfield?

  49. kelsey says:

    I never ever expected a start like this, we are going to get murdered if we don’t regain composure soon.

  50. 26may1989 says:

    Liverpool’s attacking play Is utterly fantastic so far, should be four up.

  51. could be 5-0 already!!!!

  52. the team need to remember its only 2 and a goal back puts us right back in this match.

  53. arnie says:

    this is disaster, again no challenge before the box. complete shiite. :sad:

  54. Gööner In Exile says:

    Hmmmm where’s the restart button?

  55. kelsey says:

    I hope no one loses their head and gets sent off. This game is over.

  56. match report is 0 for everyone. absolute embarassment today and this will ruin our season if we dont come back

  57. arnie says:

    4-0. You have my sympathies, FGG. How do you report such harakiri? Bollix. :sad:

  58. 26may1989 says:

    OMG, how much longer can I watch this?

  59. chas says:

    Our best hope is getting four or five sent off and the match having to be abandoned.

  60. kelsey says:

    I actually can’t believe this. The consequences could be huge. Losing by the odd goal is one thing but this is a massacre.

  61. flood alert says it all!

    what am i watching?

  62. Sav from Australia says:

    Ball is round. Not over yet. Believe!!

  63. arnie says:

    one goal at a time, guys. we can fight. But not this way. we are not challenging for any balls at all. This is not incompetence, this is lazy!!!! :sad:

  64. 26may1989 says:

    This is mostly about how well Liverpool are playing but I wish we’d just hold possession for a bit.

  65. Gööner In Exile says:

    What’s missing in droves is options through the midfield there are simply no options when we have ball at feet, people getting isolated like Ozil on 3rd goal.

    But Dippers had two set pieces to get 2 up before we even had a chance to start playing. But then we just self destructed after that.

  66. Liverpool havent created the hole in our midfield though 26!

  67. arnie says:

    yes, 26may, but also about how lazy we are in challenging when we are out of possession. but now is not the time to have this debate.

  68. they need to come out of hiding and start playing, even if its just for pride.

    our whole season could be on the line here

  69. Sav from Australia says:

    I know we have conceded 4 but the attack is just stalled. I am waiting for the boys to step up. It’s all character building. The ref does t look too bad but he hasn’t had to tilt much in any case…

  70. arnie says:

    Sav: thats the spirit. :D :D

  71. this when players argue, try things they shouldnt and lose shape.

    got to keep it together

  72. Sav from Australia says:

    I dont care if we lose. The boys just need to gain some foothold for their own pride.

    But I can hear the away support now loud and clear. Sing in loss or victory!

  73. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Two options Evonnee re the Chanteur

    1. Leave home, and never ever come home
    1. Beat yourself up, call the rozzers and get him carted off
    :-(

  74. kelsey says:

    Monreal is not the answer and Arteta and Wilshere don’t know what day it is.

  75. arnie says:

    we have a guest bedroom, Evonne. :sad:

  76. arnie says:

    we are fighting for the ball in 50-50 situations much better now.

  77. arnie says:

    we are also defending higher up!!!!! why, oh why, do we not start at the very beginning? :sad:

  78. players walking, hiding, and feeling sorry for themselves.

    yes its 4-0, but not fighting is not good enough

  79. arnie says:

    ok, second half next, all to do. off for a fag, oh dear!!!!

  80. kelsey says:

    Match Report

    The day Arsenal got raped.

  81. arnie says:

    Kelsey: correction. got themselves raped. :sad:

  82. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Relax Peaches. MR sorted. Here it is:

    WHAT MATCH? :-)

  83. RockyLives says:

    Awful performance.

    Liverpool look fantastic.

    Fair play to them – we could actually be six or seven down.

    We’re just going to have to write this one off and keep perspective.

    Of course it won’t stop the howls of hysteria from all quarters…

  84. Gööner In Exile says:

    Well done Bryan the club thanks you for your loyal support.

    Now fuck off and let the real supporters convalesce.

  85. MickyDidIt89 says:

    I’ll join you, Arnie.

  86. kelsey says:

    Wilshere has to come off. We might as well use three subs. I said earlier mignolet was the weak link,trouble is we aren’t getting anywhere near the goal.

  87. RockyLives says:

    I’ve got it!

    Let’s bring on Dowd for the second half!

  88. Sav from Australia says:

    LOL @ Rocky

  89. I hope the United game is off.

    Then we can play these next and right this wrong.

    Im so annoyed by our start. There was no need to hit self destruct because we were 2 down to 2 set pieces. That can happen to anyone.

    I think this could be the day when AW looks to replace Arteta.

  90. Bryan says:

    Why do I keep on finding that my comments are removed from here?
    Can anyone tell me why Monreal keeps on getting picked before Gibbs because I find it utterly baffling as Gibbs is quality & Monreal clearly isn’t.
    Not that I am putting the blame on Monreal for todays embarrassment, apart from 2 goals were his poor defending

  91. JWP says:

    Its Unlike the Manager to not to set us up correctly before a big away game. He got it right at Utd and City this season. He will never change and thats why we will blow the league this year. Its actually a strength to learn from your mistakes. Fairplay to an oustanding Liverpool performance so far.

  92. Sav from Australia says:

    I think we will see a new team in the second half. Hopefully we restore some pride in the scoreline. Give the away support something to cheer.

    Truth be told, I’m trying to be upset but I can’t get that upset. I quite like Liverpool – if it was Chelsea or Man Utd I would be breaking things, namely the house – but we were outplayed and fair enough. I can deal with it if we are outplayed. Fair play to them.

    Second half, lets score 5!

  93. arnie says:

    welcome, Micky. yes, changes required. dont want to single anyone in particular, but cannot see what Jack is doing out there. we need to have a tighter midfield, and need changes for that. challenge for the ball higher up, and dont leave Mert-Kos to do everything.

  94. Gööner In Exile says:

    Right lets put a few things straight.

    None of us thought the team selection was a problem pre match….it wasn’t.

    Without breaking sweat Liverpool were 2-0 up from set pieces…..I know zonal marking….well we had the best defence until today so zonal marking is not responsible for that. The first one BFG have it cheaply, quality delivery but Koz didn’t hold the line, if he had it would have been offside. Second one Ox crept off his line and gave himself less chance of stopping it.

    Third goal Ozil goes over too easy but because he was trying to find a teammate, there wasn’t one within twenty yards when he received the ball.

    They are five men around the ball when we have it yet no one is prepared to work hard enough to get close enough to provide even one option, if they are pressing that hard two passes should set us free. It’s not because of the lack of work.

    I hope Bouldies tearing them a new one as we speak.

  95. Bryan says:

    Twice my comments have dissapeared, why is this?

  96. arnie says:

    top comment, JWP. we need some fight.

  97. RA says:

    Is that the perfect storm?

    The ‘Pool have pace, skill, pressing; while Arsenal are painfully slow, clueless and without spirit.

    No one in an Arsenal shirt has played well, but Giro sums up the team performance by looking like he has wandered in from the local park, no anticipation, little skill, cannot stand up and ………….

    Watching the game with a bunch of ex-pat Scousers I am left humiliated and embarrassed!

    Effing appalling.

  98. Gööner In Exile says:

    Changes Jack off, Ox in middle, TR7 on, Ozil off, Pod on go 4-1-3-2

  99. arnie says:

    thats better, GiE. Now, let us show some fight.

  100. Oh my, this is awful :(

  101. arnie says:

    understatement, Peaches. :sad:

  102. What are we doing? Amateur stuff, so depressing :(

  103. arnie says:

    it gets worse……

  104. GunnerN5 says:

    I can hear the knives being sharpened already.

    This may be a good time to take a blog break.

  105. arnie says:

    come on, GN5, we have a job to do. :sad:

  106. kelsey says:

    On the day Liverpool are just better all round. Not the end of the world.

  107. Ozil subbed!!!!!!!!!!!!

  108. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Cripes, all three subs. 10 men at the end anyone?

  109. kelsey says:

    Jack should have come off not Ozil

  110. Fantastic from Szczesny

  111. arnie says:

    not unlikely, Micky. the way Jack is going. should have been taken off. :sad:

    BTW, that is a superb save from Szcz. :D

  112. JWP says:

    Im sorry Kelsey but im really not sure what game you have been watching !!. Ozil has been shocking and very very weak. No one player has covered themselves in glory but at least you can see Jack is hurting and cares…

  113. Mickey – good positive subs there ;)

  114. kelsey says:

    Don’t go on LG afterwards most probably get 10000 comments.

  115. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Don’t panic GN5, I popped out to the kitchen at half time and hid all the sharp instruments

  116. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Ha ha Kelsey. True, they’ll be loving this.

  117. RA says:

    Penalty — please do not miss!

  118. arnie says:

    I like your approach towards the game, JWP, even if I do not fully agree with your point.

    good stuff. thats one down, 4 to go. :D

  119. RA says:

    Phew. Well done Arteteteta, :-)

  120. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssss :-)

    I bet someone at half time it’d be 5-2. Crisp fiver in it for me.

  121. arnie says:

    OK, good, AW knows better, and JWP (:razz: ), at least Jack keeps on fighting. :D

  122. RA says:

    Now Jack is playing — they are trying to trying to provoke him or cripple him!

  123. Sav from Australia says:

    You know what I want. I want Aaron fucken Ramsey back!

  124. MickyDidIt89 says:

    I think Jack’s feet are too big.

  125. JWP says:

    Its about wednesday now..That will be a true test of the players and how much they want it. We can win the league this season as other teams will slip up as well. We owe this lot big time next sunday !!!

  126. 26may1989 says:

    Szczesny’s our MOTM, I’d say.

  127. arnie says:

    26: I suppose you mean, Szcz gets a 4 while others get 2′s. :razz:

    JWP: agreed. :D :D

  128. MickyDidIt89 says:

    I wonder if at this point Pool would consider forgetting the first 20 mins, calling it a fair 1-1 draw, and just shaking on it.

  129. arnie says:

    OK, make it 6 for Szcz then. :D

  130. 26may1989 says:

    Don’t think I do, arnie, 2s sounds about right for most of the outfield players but Szczesny has made plenty of good saves and deserves a proper mark in recognition of what he’s done to keep the score down to five. So far…..

  131. The team wont be getting 6 between them.

  132. Bayonne Jean says:

    The stupid sending off by Flamini showed its impact; he would have started with Arteta and the approach would have been completely different.
    And not having Theo really shows…

    Ox Arsenal’s best today….

    And the way Suarez posts up his man when challenging for high balls is very impressive, even if he is a sneaky cheat.
    Hell of a player…..

  133. arnie says:

    good point, Micky, I hope we do not do this, and therefore shake this off as a bad 20 mins. I would rather this really hurts us and eggs us on to better things in the future!!!!! :D

  134. dhakka09 says:

    Koscielny has played his heart out, rescued us time and again; he has earned my respect. The rest will have to work bloody hard to regain it. Amen!

  135. Ox was the only outfield player who tried throughout.

    The rest were sulking for at least 20 minutes each.

    Away fans get motm

  136. arnie says:

    FGG: “Away fans get motm” :D

  137. RA says:

    This has been a pants down thrashing!

    It is galling to say it but the Pool have been very good, but Arsenal have helped them with a strangely poor performance. and the midfield and defence, other than Kozzer, have been run ragged by the pace of the Pool players.

  138. arnie says:

    Jack, the Ox, Szcz and Sagna stay on to applaud FGG’s MOTM.

  139. this isnt some amazing Liverpool side that have done us today.

    They scored from 2 set pieces within 10 minutes and we crumbled. They hit the post from another corner and were bypassing our whole defence with 1 pass.

    The players were an absolute shambles after the first 10 minutes and its not good enough.

    They never fought and they were hiding instead of coming to receive the ball.

    Worst performance since losing 8-2 at OT.

    I hope the United game is off so we can get revenge before playing any other league games, otherwise our season could fall apart.

    We are still top of the league and in the title race, but carry on like that and we will struggle for top 4.

    Embarassing.

  140. Bryan says:

    why does Wenger keep picking Monreal ahead of Gibbs, the golf between them is massive, Gibbs is quality & Monreal isn’t.

  141. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Agree with all of that RA.

    Seriously impressive watching their speedy front three. We are hindered by our lack a fast striker. Pointless Ozil or Santi playing the ball in behind the defence as they know Ollie would never get onto it.

    The Pool front boys could play each other in all day as each has the pace.

  142. 26may1989 says:

    Absolutely superb performance from Liverpool, every one of their players was excellent. And none of us should doubt Rodgers, he’s a quality manager, building a quality side. Respect to them.

    A terrible day for us, but as others have said, it’s all about what we do with a defeat like this. The Arsenal of a few years ago certainly would have seen it as the cue for a collapse – will this side? They’ve shown plenty of mental strength this season, but now is the real test of that. Unlike the other mauling we got this season, when the officials were as much the cause of our defeat to City as our poor play, we have no-one to blame but ourselves today.

    The away fans were great, well done them, and just a shame they’ll have a long journey back, in which they’ll dwell on the match.

  143. MickyDidIt89 says:

    FGG

    Flamini will be back on weds for Utd. So let’s regroup for that. No motivation required, and then thrash them both.

  144. RockyLives says:

    Thanks for a fine pre-match Chary – your take was exactly as mine would have been had I written it… sadly the real game didn’t play out that way.

    But I have no interest in hearing/reading the deluge of OTT abuse that will now be heaped on the players and manager so I will bid ye all adieu until tomorrow…

  145. Bryan says:

    I agree it was our worse performance since 8-2 thrashing at MU. I think we will finish 3rd or 4th as we can’t beat the top teams & we have 2 months of playing them. Yet again an imcompetent transsfer window been & gone, when will Wenger learn it is a massive morale boost as well as a new player coming in but he chose to sign a crock that no one had heard of

  146. i thought he had another game micky?

  147. Adrian says:

    As solid as Mertersacker has been this season, liverpool exposed his ultimate weakness with pace via sturridge sterling and suarez. Why Gibbs didn’t start instead of Monteal is a puzzle to me. Impressive how the best defence in the league up to this game went completely invisible.

    Wenger goes on and on about the mental strength of the team, but surely that is in doubt after today’s piss poor performance. 2 down after 10 mins to set pieces and the whole team instantly crumbled and hid in their shells. With the exception of Jack and the Ox there was absolutely no passion or motivation in the first half.

    Couldn’t help but wonder what this season would be like if Wenger perhaps offered an extra $10m and got Suarez instead of Ozil in the summer. A recurring theme has been Ozil hiding in the big games and he’s done exactly that again today. With a player of his calibre (and price tag) he’s exactly the type of player you’d expect to turn a game around when the going gets tough. (I don’t care if his natural attitude is laid back or whatever, today I detected absolutely zero passion coming from him)

    This makes the Man Utd game a must win no matter what, and we’ve got to bloody take revenge for this humiliating performance by knocking out Liverpool in the FA cup. Let’s see if Wenger was right about the mental strength of the team.

  148. chas says:

    Flamini still banned Wednesday.

    We’re still top by two points.

    Media lockdown for me.

  149. MickyDidIt89 says:

    What sport can we watch now, curling perhaps?

  150. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Oh my God, they’re dropping like flies.

  151. RA says:

    I think all fans have the right to express their disappointment and even anger after a game in which the whole team performed so badly.

    It’s how those feelings are expressed that makes the difference between natural disappointment and outright bloody minded hatred.

    For myself, there is little positive to take from that game save for the efforts of the Ox, Kozzer and Chezzer.

    Of more concern to me, I think the whole team and the manager will be so deflated with that thrashing that it would be no surprise if we lose to YooNited on Wednesday, and in the way dominoes fall, if we lose to them in does not take much to see us lose the cup match to a rampant ‘Pool – and then Bayern???

    It is not losing that would have caused that, if it happens — it would be down to the nature and severity of that beating today.

    Not knife wielding or howling — just being shattered and realistic after that game as all fans must be — unless they are lying.

  152. Adrian says:

    I agree with Red Arse. We desperately missed Walcott’s pace on the flank and there is absolutely no point in having wonderful playmakers in the team if noone is fast enough to make defence splitting runs. I like Giroud but I think that to get the best out of the most creative midfield in the EPL, a pacy striker would do wonders.

  153. Please dont agree with anything i say Bryan.

  154. arnie says:

    we will rise from the ashes. yes, we allowed ourselves to be raped, worse, it was buggery. but we will return with purpose and resilience. that is our expectation from the team, and let us see how they deliver the same on Weds. and next weekend!!!!! Onwards and upwards, and only upwards!!!! :D :D :D

  155. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Fair points again RA,

    I think the long coach ride home and a good chat will do them a power of good. Really believe they will perform against Utd.

    Wales Ireland Rugby on telly.

  156. its difficult to critique our attacking display today as our first attack was when we were 2-0 down and i think our next one we were 4-0 down!

  157. i was telling myself all day yesterday that the game is only 1 result and only worth 3 points, but the manner of defeat today has totally blown that idea out of the water.

    its going to be a painful watch over the next few weeks if the players dont respond.

    i pray they do.

  158. Gooner in Exile says:

    I actually don’t think Liverpool had to play that well….which i guess tells us what we need to know about the way we performed. Yes they harried us for possession, but we had already gifted them a 4-0 start before we even tried to get a foothold in the game.

    As FGG says two set piece goals gave them a very early lead, the game hadn’t settled, there was no balance to the play, they were just 2-0 up. We had 80 odd minutes to get those back, but not one experienced head stood up at that point and knocked a few heads together, for me it should have been BFG, Arteta or Sagna, Sagna has always been quiet, but i expect Arteta especially as the heart of the team and captain on the day to get players close around him and start sorting things out.

    But then we gave them a third and fourth for the sheer hell of it.

    Now I am not a critic of Ozil but to come back from two down you can not afford passengers, and he was one today, only when he went off did we have any meaningful possession in the final third, whether thats because he can’t play with those around him or they can’t play with him i am not sure, but he was ineffective whilst on the pitch.

    And the thing that has worried me about this team since the defeat away at Burnley last season is the fact that when the chips are down we don’t see the experienced heads taking the game by the scruff of the neck, we see youngsters who shouldn’t have to try and push the team on, Ox did this today, Jack once he found time did this, and Gibbs when he came on did it, showed for the ball, showed eagerness to push on no matter the score.

  159. kelsey says:

    As much as Liverpool deserved the win it was freakish in a way that we were 4-0 down in twenty minutes and it could have been six. The players were shell schocked by the first goal within a minute and before they may have regrouped Liverpool went up yet another gear,we were second to the ball and they scored again and again and again.
    One can’t really judge the second half as the game was already lost.
    To pick out Ozil is unfair as the majority of the team were no better.
    Our attack was just none existent and hopefully just a bad day at the office.
    All the stats about our defence went out of the window but maybe paying United next is a good thing so we can really say this is our first big test.

  160. LB says:

    I haven’t felt that numb in the name of entertainment since I saw the horror unfold in the first twenty minutes of Saving Private Ryan.

  161. kelsey says:

    and here’s an example

    Radio Raheem February 8, 2014 14:38:35

    Why to fuck is Wenger shaking his head like one of those puppies on the back of a car.
    ———-

    Think he is rehearsing for his next job selling insurance #Chirchill

  162. Gooner in Exile says:

    But i will say pif any fans come on here muttering about lack of belief, i will take them back to deadline day and ask them to show me what they were saying, if they were crying about no new additions then i would say they showed the same lack of belief, and as i said at the time i would hate to be an Arsenal player reading twitter on TDD as I doubt i would have been left with much hope that we might be able to win the league.

    Sing it while we still can….We are Top of the League Say We are top of the League.

  163. Rasp says:

    Afternoon all, peaches talked me out of the first version of a title today which was ‘Flood warning, … can Arsenal’s defence hold out?’ … it turns out that would be have been more prophetic.

    We only have one choice now and that is to pick ourselves up and do everything right that we did wrong in this game next time we play.

    Apologies Bryan – when I read your comment I assumed you were the troll

  164. Gooner in Exile says:

    And just a question……Steve Bould to blame for the defending today?

  165. Gooner in Exile says:

    Still Top….Say We are top of The League

  166. evonnee says:

    that’s my weekend rearranged. Cannot watch footy, it hurts. I hope the tube strike on Wednesday is on and I don’t have to see the game against United

  167. RA says:

    Exile, I think you may have a point, that the older players do not organise or gee up the younger players when the team are under pressure.

    The reason for that is surely because the older players are often the one’s struggling the most and, incidentally, are also without exception the slowest on the pitch.

  168. Norfolk Gooner says:

    Ouch!!! That hurt!!!

  169. Adrian says:

    Just rewatched the highlights and pace really was Liverpool’s main weapon today. If Rodgers can get Sturridge, Sterling and Suarez to click together and play like this every time week in week out with Coutinho spraying through balls to them, any team would find it extremely hard to defend against the raw pace of their team.

    Would be absolutely delighted if Wenger signed a fast and clinical forward in the summer.

  170. RA says:

    Kelsey,

    If you don’t mind, we can do without having crap from elsewhere re-posted on here, please.

  171. arnie says:

    No, not Boudie, GiE, but I still dont understand why we allow opposition right upto the box and try to defend from within the box. Are we Stoke? Do we want to be Stoke? Is that our ambition, really?

    You guys say the second goal came from a setpiece. That is true, but the corner was from a fantastic Szcz save, which came about because Monreal was trying to walk backwards into the box. He forgot human beings are conditioned to move forwards better than walking backwards. Just one small example, out of many, and just to make the point that we do not challenge opposition players higher up the pitch. Not in defence, nor in the midfield.

    I wont say much now because I am very angry, and I am on standby in case the doomsday usherers attack in drones, but just to say I dont understand this really. Our midfield is not functioning. The main function of the midfield is to ensure we dominate possession in the middle of the field, but we do not do this. Because most of our players are too scared to challenge for the ball. They are being somewhat lazy, in my view.

    We should be doing better, much much better. :D :D :D

  172. kelsey says:

    Let’s put it into perspective.We haven’t been playing that well recently,yet winning. Liverpool were dreadful last week against WBA in the second half yet thrashed Everton the week before.
    This really is a most unpredictable season and others will slip up, but nevertheless I wish we could have bought Suarez last Summer, as I believe he would have scored vital goals for us instead of depending on our midfield so often.

  173. Gooner in Exile says:

    Poo not top any more

  174. Gooner in Exile says:

    According to match stats City haven’t had a shot in half hour against Norwich?

  175. Gooner in Exile says:

    You can say that again Lukas

  176. RockyLives says:

    OK – back for one quickie. A heavy defeat is a heavy defeat, nothing more, nothing less. It’s only one game.

    In the 1996-7 season Man Utd went to Newcastle and got pounded 5-0. United ended the season as champions.

    It’s all about the next game now.

  177. Gooner in Exile says:

    Apparently Szczesny’s been on Facebook:

  178. Norfolk Gooner says:

    That reminds me, I could swear that I saw Podolski’s number come up as a sub, did he actually come on? If he did he must have been wearing Harry Potter’s invisibility cloak. Impact Sub? My a**e!!

  179. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    I must say, that was hard to watch,however I am not disheartend. This season our strengths are our weaknesess.

    We are essentialy a second half team, and the question is why?

    In the second half the natural pace of the game slows down.In the first half sprint like pressing tactics, like those employed by Liverpool today and Saints a couple of weeks back expose our fundamental weakness.

    We are a side designed to pass and move and when we dont have the ball, to defend with depth. Arsene employs two “luxary” players in Carzola and Ozil, and the midfield is packed with technical midgets.

    Bearing this in mind, imagine what happens when you are harried in your own half, lose the ball, and allow the back four to be exposed?

    This is compounded when the opponents have top strikers, like City and Liverpool.

    I repeat, our strengths our are weaknesses.

    The key point for me then is can we “grow” as a team to the point were we can overcome these issues and gain more consistant results againt the better sides.

    I believe we can, but the side is in development. I am convinced we will be in the hunt this summer for an athletic midfielder and am of the belief we have seen nothing yet from our British core of midfielders, they will improve leaps and bounds

    We can still win the title this year to. Though I accept its a day to reflect on our defecencies, lets not get carried away. We can still nick the league this season, but we need some big wins, including Utd and City home

    Keep the faith

  180. Norfolk Gooner says:

    We’ve been through two transfer windows and signed two crocks and a player either not suited to the rough and tumble of the Premiership or not able to play with his team-mates.

    Ozil is a talented player but needs a striker in front of him who can anticipate the passes he is going to make. Giroud is not that player!

  181. RA says:

    I would need one of you stats guys to tell me the details, but presumably City, and Chelsea will have to play the ‘Pool again in the next few weeks and they cannot all win and that will be to our advantage, in the same way we have helped the Chavs and Citeh today.

    It would, of course, be ridiculous to write off our chances because of this single defeat, as Rocky was saying, but the manner of the defeat has the potential to have a knock on effect, but if Arsene is right that the team have collective mental strength, then they will bounce back against Manure, and we will be underway again. :-)

  182. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Redders, one thing this team certainly has is mental strength. Over the last eighteen months they have proved that.

    I see no reason to lose faith in what the club is attempting. We have come from nowere last season to a side right at the top of the league.

    For me this is only the beggining. We will improve, and keep improving until we are the best side.

    The Ghosts of the Thirties are Stirring

  183. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    I have just realised, if I was seceretly the Troll then reading through the comments it would be the clearest case of schizo split personality ever seen. hahaha

  184. RA says:

    NG,

    You have a point. It is difficult to single out any particular player today as being the cause of our problems, but for whatever reason, Giroud did have a stinker today, and it meant that what little ball we got up front was lost again because he could not control it or he fell over, and over.

    In fairness Giro was always being marshalled by two or three defenders whenever the ball came to him, but I agree we do need a fleeter and more technically astute CF.

  185. RA says:

    Giroud must be reading my comments.

    He has just tweeted an apology for having a poor game today.

    Makes me feel better for picking on him now!! :-)

  186. RA says:

    Terry,

    Has your syrup got its own twitter account? :-)

    By the way, your attitude of being optimistic yet realistic is the best one to have,

    There is another tweet that says:

    Pellegrini is the tactical one
    Maureenyo is the special one
    Arsene is the 5 one.

    Barstewards!! :-)

  187. Norfolk Gooner says:

    RA, thinking about the game, and try as I might I can’t stop thinking about it, we had all the pretty patterns with no pace and very little penetration. The only player trying to penetrate was Oxlade- Chamberlain and on one of his few forays into the penalty area he drew the foul from the old cart-horse Gerrard. We were crying out for Walcott’s pace or for Gnabry to carry the ball into the box and cause a bit of panic.

  188. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Thank you Redders

    I am very paitent went it comes to Arsenal and life in general

    Probably comes from been a regular at games for thirty years, having an ex and current wife that depise me, and plenty of association with Bailiffs. hahaha

  189. RA says:

    That’s also been my view, not just for today, but for a long time, Norfolk.

    To be candid we simply cannot only have Walcott as our only ‘speed machine’ as he is so often injured, and Ox and Gnabry, although fast enough, are not out and out flyers.

    It means, as you have said, that we have no pace outlet for a through ball, and so the midfielders move the ball back and forth across the pitch — until they lose it. With a ponderous CF that problem is compounded.

  190. Norfolk Gooner says:

    OK, I’m off to prepare the meat and chop the onions for tonight’s curry. Chicken Madras, brown basmati rice, spicy aloo paratha, pappadoms and lime pickle accompanied by a couple of bottles of Bank’s Bitter.

    Before eating I’m going to watch the Scotland/England game at Muddyfield. I really hope we can smash the Jocks, it’ll make me feel much better.

    Night all!

  191. arnie says:

    Yes, NG, I was thinking of Gnabry as a sub as well, but my feeling at that point was the masked Mozart (with or without the mask) and the invisible Poldi would be better. :razz:

    Top comments, Terry. On with the show. :D :D

    But just to be boring, let me say this one more time. Next year comes later, and depends on what we can do in the transfer market. But for this year, we need our players to fight for possession in the midfield. There is just no second way. We have praised the Liverpool attack a lot, but see how their midfield wrested possession away from our midfielders and forwards.

    Style and guile is nice, but there is no substitute to putting your body on the line and fighting hard. This is football, not golf! :D :D

  192. arnie says:

    Right, NG, I am on my way. What is the address please? :D :D

  193. RA says:

    Terry,

    I don’t understand why your life partners are so mean to such a great Arsenal fan like you! :-)

    We all like you on here – in a very manly way – of course.
    Perhaps they don;t like your aftershave or the kind of Cornwalls you hang out with!! :-)

  194. Well done Norwich …… Citeh drop points again this week

  195. Aaah this is sweet ………….

  196. Gööner In Exile says:

    And Man City prove anythings possible in football, by all accounts lucky to walk away with a point.

  197. arnie says:

    If we can not let the momentum slip, and if this is just a couple of bad games, it will be fine. Citeh are dropping points now, the Chavs will at some point as well. That is, if we show the resilience we expect from the good guys! :D

    Keep going, Peaches, loving these!!!!!! :D :D

  198. Can we give Liverpool a good spanking next Sunday and throw them out of the FA cup …………. will that make me feel better???

  199. Why isn’t Gibbs starting games? Nacho is good but Gibbs is much better ………

  200. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Really enjoying the rugby an unusual amount, and I’m thinking that in part it’s because my Arsenal aren’t playing and getting spanked :-)

    Do like LB’s comment @ 3:14. Sometimes we need to remember it is “entertainment” as he put it.

  201. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    By the way, great post chary. Yeah, i remember that bird. I think I went out with her once, hope you dont mind. hahaha

  202. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Peaches

    That’s a great stat from Orbinho. Amazing.

    And to answer your question, yes, spankings are on.

  203. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Oh, and having just seen Count Pelengrinis interview, I have never seen some one look so pale. He obviously needs blood.

    GIE, Since City are in Norwich tonight, I suggest you do not venture out tonight and stick a clove of garlic on your door.

    Its David Silva I feel sorry for. Hes going to get sucked off.

  204. MickyDidIt89 says:

    My money says the Arsenal Tweets come by order of Herr Boss.

    There will, as I said, be some serious thinking done on that coach journey. Ah ha, I have a new theory. Last term w put changes down to the game in Munich. Later this season we may put the Title down to That Coach Journey.

    Kind of like Mert assembling the defence for a chat post Spuds game last season.

  205. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Damn, the Utd game cannot come fast enough.

    Transplant
    Never worry about Wives past or present despising you. It doesn’t matter.

  206. Thierry Henry says:

    Has Wenger signed a long term contract? He has made us the pride of London and nevermind all the haters saying we capitulate in February, I think we’ve just had a decade of bad luck the decade before it we were invicible even if just for a year! Hey at least we dont have a mobster running our club with plastic fans! They went top of the table they always get lucky in big matches and the big occassions kind of the opposite luck from ours but their philosophy of winning no matter what is just dispicable what kind of team spends a shitload of money just to win or adopt anti football bus parking methods just to win trophies I prefer another decade trophyless then smearing the beautiful game. We are the Arsenal we are not about trophies we are about pride the Pride of London when we hit the pitch you are always entertained we play the game the way its supposed to be played unless its February or March when for whatever reason we have incredibly bad luck and composure but our squad is still young and hey we knew this year the target was top 4 look RVP will come back I hear Ashley Cole also wants to come back if we can get Henry also just to help us with the cup matches so the youngsters can learn from his experience and composure I am conviced that then we win the League Cup but I say we focus on top 4 and try to win the Emirates cup start small and build on that. Stinking Drogba that name still haunts my sleep with awful nightmares I couldnt believe his diving to win a penalty that won Galatasaray the Emir8s cup. But I agree that this performance today was maddenning not as bad as when we 8-2 much at Old Trafford but hey we should keep everything in perspective we werent supposed to be in this position to begin with so lets really get behind the boys and show our loyalty for the best club in the world! Trophies are for suckers we dont buy trophies and we are the Pride of London and you cant buy class!

  207. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Thats what I keep telling them Micky, so they despie me even more

    Its like that old saying “Its better to be despised than never to have been despised”

  208. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    What am I on about? that dont make sense

    ime off

  209. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Hi Henry

    You can buy class. I bought a full gorilla suit :-)

  210. arnie says:

    A nice return treat in the FA Cup will be nice. :D

    Tonight, its awaiting the ManUre game. Gibbs will be fresh! Maybe that is the reason he was not played today? :razz:

  211. arnie says:

    as opposed to a half monkey suit? :D

  212. arnie says:

    The Ox: “We are very disappointed, especially with the first half. We know we are better than that. So in that sense we are gutted.

    “But these things happen in football and it is our responsibility to turn that around and we have great opportunity on Wednesday night.

    “When the first goal went early you have to respond and ‘see out’ the next 10 or 15 minutes. We failed to do that and, credit to Liverpool, I thought they were brilliant and we were not up to scratch.

    “In the second half we knew we had to improve and I believe that we did that. So there are some mental positives today but we have to put it right on Wednesday.”

    Source: http://www.arsenal.com

  213. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Don’t be silly Arnie. Full means head, paws and feet with claws. We’re off to a party tonight, and I’ve been winding my Daughter up all day saying I’m wearing it. Even had the Missis gig it out and fluff it up.

  214. MickyDidIt89 says:

    DIG even.

  215. arnie says:

    Micky: :D :D

  216. GoonerB says:

    Hi all. Sorry I am late to the forum and have been a bit AWOL recently. Not intentional, just a lot going on at the moment.

    I am someone that generally doesn’t like knee-jerk reactions and like to see positives in set-backs and to be critical in victories in order to remain balanced. I also feel it is the best way for a team to get to the very top, i.e not to be despondent at all set-backs but not to sit on your laurels either.

    Having said that I do however find myself exceedingly angry by what I saw today, and feel it was an absolute disgrace from start to finish. Not just because we lost and lost heavily, because sometimes that just happens, but more because I feel today represented a level of non-professionalism in every aspect from start to finish and for me had the hall-marks of certain bad past practices of a few years ago. This suggests to me that past lessons have not been learned and that we are revisiting certain bad practices that I thought we had progressed beyond. These are aspects that I feel, unaddressed, will prevent us from winning a league.

    I am off out soon so don’t have the time to elaborate but will tomorrow after the report when I have more time. Well done with the pre-match Charry and you hit a couple of notes with me in what bothered me today. Your penultimate paragraph about Wenger knowing what is required to win at Anfield and what you suggested after was for me spot on and also for me where a large part of what went wrong today stemmed from.

    Anyway I am off out to drown my sorrows more than I had intended this morning, so till tomorrow fine AA’ers.

  217. arnie says:

    GoonerB: “drown my sorrows” indeed. :sad:

  218. Gööner In Exile says:

    This was RT’d by GM found it quite interesting:

    AFC PL form after:

    3-1 loss to Villa: WWWWW

    1-0 loss to Utd: WWWWD

    6-3 loss to City: DWWWW

    and every time: “Our season is over.”

  219. arnie says:

    Apparently, Le Boss had a fall today. See here. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bf-SU15IEAECDBs.jpg:large

    Not funny! Quick recovery needed in more ways than one. And also wanted are the right shoes for the game on Weds. :sad:

  220. arnie says:

    GiE: Our season as just begun, not ended. I have said earlier that our run of fantastic performances came on the heels of the Bayern defeat at home. We have had three indifferent performances recently, against Shitty away, S’ton away and now Liverpool away. Now is the time to bounce back. If we can, we will make history. This includes progress in both the FA Cup and CL which, unlike some others, I think is important.

    But to bounce back, we need strong pride and mettle, and also an acknowledgement that we need to improve our performance. This will start coming later this week. So, today is, for me, a trough all right, but I expect the team to ride the crest now!!!!

    Onwards and upwards. :D :D :D

  221. kelsey says:

    I shall leave any further comments until after Wednesday.

    Liverpool played very well, we were shite,shellshocked or whatever.

    AW will look at the game time and time again and hopefully we can regroup.

  222. Gööner In Exile says:

    GoonerB I have some sympathy with your view and I too agree that i was upset by what took place at Anfield. But any game plan that we might have had did not get time to show itself because we conceded early.

    Even young Ox recognises that in that situation you keep ball for ten to fifteen minutes don’t let them score again don’t let the crowd get further encouraged. We failed to do that and paid a heavy price, and that’s where I agree with you about lack of professionalism, and that’s why I said earlier I was disappointed with the experienced heads on the pitch failing to attempt to rebuild, we just did not try and calm everything down.

  223. MickyDidIt89 says:

    “After Wednesday!!!”
    Does this mean you’re bunking off as well Kelsey. Blimey it’s going to be dull in the morning :-(

    Right, well, we’re off out to a 40th. Inside Barn: live band. Outside: Pig roast, fire eating idiots, 50mph winds and some lashing rain. Ideal tonic.

  224. Evenetning all, well that was a game to forget.

    I only followed the game via twitter and once you dial down the hystericalness it seems that the team as a unit played with lethargy and torpor that gave the ‘dippers a flying start for those 2 early goals.

    From a personal point of view I’m relieved the tone of my pre match was not triumphalist and Raspers has already owned up to the headline so I don’t have to take the flak for that either. :)

    The only silver lining about today, aside from us only slipping to second and not third due to Count Pelligrino’s trillionaire backed team misfiring, is that our players will have received a swift kick in their complacency.

    I sincerely hope this fires our boys up to give the reprehensible old toilet crew and the wretched van judas a dam good hiding.

    C’mon arsenal – you owe us for this shambles today !

  225. arnie says:

    sounds fantastic, Micky. :D

    I am not sure waiting till Weds (why Weds, and not end of the season then) benefits anyone. We are a voice of sanity amongst Arsenal fans, and not one of witch hunting. But sanity does not preclude constructive criticism. Let us continue to do that. At the same time, let us expect the good guys to come out fighting on Weds.

    Personally I do not see a contradiction here. Personally, I also do not see the point in staying away. Is it because we would like to frankly criticise but somehow cannot bear to do so? This cannot be right. Let us have our say constructively.

    Dont worry, the troll(s) are away and will be throttled if they emerge. :D :D

  226. GoonerB – you’ve picked out my fears for the game in my pre match as you’ve read between the lines and it seems the worse case scenario unfolded sadly. :(

  227. arnie says:

    Chary. brilliant comment. :D :D :D

  228. arnie says:

    I pity poor FGG!!!! oh dear!! dont worry, Ginga, we are behind you! :razz:

  229. arnie says:

    I pity myself as well, particularly the moment when I unleash the TT poll results tomorrow!! :razz: The observant may have noticed that I did not bring the a priori odds out today. :sad:

  230. kelsey says:

    What I meant was that I am not going to disect every move or how every player performed today until after we play on Wednesday abd see how we perform..

  231. arnie says:

    Kelsey: In other words, you are going to keep your Pre Post Report Reviews hidden from us tomorrow, and then unleash them all together on Weds. Is that your plan? :D :D :razz:

  232. arnie says:

    Apols, Kelsey, this was a poor joke. I can see that everybody is very distressed at the moment. :D :D

    Peaches: you are doing well, and we are keeping watch all right. Even if most are only hiding in the shadows. :razz:

  233. arnie says:

    We have to face our responsabilities and bounce back V united! So disappointed but keep the head up!— Olivier Giroud (@_OlivierGiroud_) February 8, 2014

  234. evonnee says:

    stop apologising Peaches, they fecked up today and are in a dog house. I bloody hope they will bounce back mid week, or our season could in jeopardy. I’m not hysterical yet, but not far off

    That proverb ‘a pessimist never gets disappointed’ is bollix

    I think our boys went into a shock mode after that early goal. After the second it was panic and the rest could have been anything. I couldn’t watch after 4

  235. arnie says:

    Good news that you are well, Evonne, whether as a pessimist or an optimist. :sad:

  236. Gooner in Exile says:

    Evonne our season was in jeopardy whether we won today or not…it is February after all :D

  237. arnie says:

    GiE: :D :D It is very eerie in here. :sad:

  238. Gööner In Exile says:

    Right I’ve been having a little think about the obvious comparisons that will be drawn between the sides and I keep coming back to two things. The midfield. Now some say it highlights the need for us to have a stronger DM, but I have to ask where was Liverpool’s?

    Henderson and Gerard easily dealt with Ozil, Arteta and Wilshere did not cope with Coutinho.

    Why the big difference wide men and full backs. There full backs didn’t have to support the wingers so our wingers were always receiving under pressure, our full backs were rarely seen tracking their wingers, someone needs to explain to me why in the first minute of the game Sagna was nowhere to be seen when Suarez is set free down the left wing and why BFG is left tracking him.

    This isn’t about tactics so much as my favourite word “responsibility”.

  239. Gööner In Exile says:

    Arnie everyone’s settling down for a bit more self harm by watching MotD.

  240. fatgingergooner says:

    Just completed the post for tomorrow and then come on here to read through the comments and can see that all the points I’ve raised have already been mentioned this evening!

    I thought you had my back!!! :)

  241. arnie says:

    Yes, MOTD. Much as I hate Alan Shearer, I had to agree with some of his analysis, the technical bits, today. Where is the pressure on the ball out of possession. I have been asking this question every day on AA since the poor second half FA Cup game, no answers.

    Supporting the club is fantastic, supporting hard working good guys is great, but not idolatry! And the fact is that there is obviously ability out there. Partly poor tactics, and partly rank lazy bums. :sad:

  242. arnie says:

    GiE: One can always say we need better players, DMs, Strikers, Wingers, whatever. However, I am convinced this team is only playing at 60% of their ability, sometimes even less. This is just not acceptable. Now, one may say this is because of fatigue, because there is not that much rotation of players, and there may be some value to that argument. But, then we have to admit that we do not necessarily need better players but more (numbers) of the same.

    Anyway, I hope we recover from this soon. I believe Weds will be fine, our poor games have been away, not at home. But we need to overcome nerves and win that game somehow. And away against the bigger teams, we just have to do better.

    FGG: well done you. :D :D :D

  243. arnie says:

    OK, GiE, the scum journos are at it again. Alert. :D :D

  244. Gööner In Exile says:

    Apparently Lineker and MotD found amusement in the picture of the boss falling over. Laughing at 64 year old men falling over….seriously classy BBC.

    Arnie you’re a better man than me, always watch on record and fast forward through the “pundits”.

  245. arnie says:

    Yes, that was very poor taste, but I do not expect anything better from the Beebs, hence not so disappointed. :D But I felt bad about them cracking a joke on the man. :D :D And I also feel bad that the scum also start hunting trash about our players. But we will survive. :D :D :D

  246. arnie says:

    Arsene: “Our overall performance was poor, our defensive stability was poor and we needed to be better focused

    “Congratulations to Liverpool, they were the best team. Only the Arsenal fans were superb today, that was all.”

    “The performance was just not good enough, and I include myself in that performance. It raises questions that we have to answer, we have a lot to answer for, though maybe it is best if I don’t talk too much about what went wrong here and we just go home and put things right on the pitch on Wednesday.

    “We didn’t look sharp against Liverpool but it’s how we respond that matters. We have a chance to show we can make an improvement in the next game and it is important we do not lose all our confidence and self-belief.”

    Source: The Guardian

  247. kelsey says:

    Mourning

    It’s the manner of the defeat that is upsetting not that we lost.

    All this twitter bolloxs after the event by the players changes nothing.

    As AW said they have to stand up and be counted and the senior players need to explain what happene to the mental strength.

    We were top of the league as the game started and taking nothing away from Liverpool we were run ragged.

  248. kelsey says:

    FGG @ 10.37

    This was exactly my point the other day that the match has been discussed in every detail before the Match Report is published :)

  249. Krist says:

    Success for Arsenal…

  250. kelsey says:

    You alright chas :)

  251. Gööner In Exile says:

    Kelsey may not change anything but at least gives some inkling they know they are aware they let us down.

  252. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Not sulking, just got up. More coffee. Glad to see you both here.

    Chas, did you like Joy Division? ie did you go through a Dark Phase :-)

  253. kelsey says:

    I can’t help it and I am breaking a promise I gave myself but watching the highlights again I was wondering what Pers was doing in the very first minute being on the flank on the half way line when Suarez outpaced him and he gave away the foul.
    Even then when they scored I had hoped we would regain composure but for the next 30 minutes we were more and more completely out of shape and Liverpool got more and more rampant.In fact our whole defence and midfield were totally out of tune with each other, passes going astray, and with the constant pressing by the opposition we seemed to go from bad to worse.

    I hate to say it but that strike by Suarez that hit croosbar and post was absolutely world class.

    With regards to ratings, I am glad I didn’t offer :)

    Spurs or Everton will drop points today and the top four will take shape.

  254. Shard says:

    Honestly, before the match kicked off yesterday, I knew we were going to lose. So maybe that tempers my disappointment with the result and keeps me sane.

    But what also contributes, is my disgust with how the players performed. More so mentally. I mean we went behind to an offside goal (marginal call) in the first minute, and one can argue that the second goal was also in some ways, one of those things. But at 2-0, you settle down and say, ok, 1 goal before half time and we’re back in it, because we’re better in the second half anyway. Instead our midfield and full backs got run over. I won’t blame Ozil, because he lost the ball at least trying to move forward, which we were unable to do through our passing. We’re supposed to be great passers but under pressure, we wilted. I don’t want to say this, because I thought he was our player of the season last year, but I’m fearing that Arteta is done as a regular. A great player to have in our squad, but not so much the team. At least unless his midfield partner steps up and covers ground for him both going forward and defensively. Which is where we miss Ramsey.

    What I mean by my disgust keeping me sane is, if the players play like they can’t be bothered, I’m not going to bother myself too much with recriminations. Without getting angry, or going overboard, I think that might be our worst performance I have seen, mainly because I don’t think Liverpool are all that great. The 6-1 loss to ManU comes to mind. The 8-2 wasn’t all that bad a performance. It was 3-1 and BSR had missed a penalty, when we decided to go for it, and even as crap a footballer as Young scored two classy goals. That was just one of those things. This was much much poorer.

    At the same time, I think we will bounce back against ManU. We aren’t really as bad as the game suggests, and I think we will see the players hungry to prove themselves. Plus, now we better throw Liverpool out of the FA Cup, because they’ll be getting too uppity. The players need to step up and put in some proud performances, and the crowd need to get right behind them. It isn’t over by any stretch and we need all the help we can get. It won’t come from officials, unlike for the oilers. It has to come from our fans.

  255. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Kelsey

    Yip, that Suarez is good. In fact, had it not been against us, it would have been a joy to watch their front three.

    Another rough weather day down here. Has to be Sunday Roast and an afternoon film.

  256. Shard says:

    Anyway, got to run again.. No Sunday roast for me.

  257. Gööner In Exile says:

    Shard I think that is what is puzzling us all, that inability to pull a shape together for twenty to thirty minutes just to get a foothold.

    Kelsey watched the same thing this morning. Sagna is in their half with Sterling for the long throw, we give them an easy long throw option up the line Arteta comes across jumps into Sagna and BFG is one on one….crazy from three experienced players.

  258. chas says:

    Micky,
    I did.
    But only from age 12 to 24. :)

  259. kelsey says:

    Shard

    please don’t go down the “could have been offside” for the first two goals. We could have easily lost 8-1 and lessons have to be learnt and quick.

    the Arteta comment is interesting as he no doubtedly is past his best but then we have the over thirty rule which quite frankly sometimes annoys me. Sagna may not have had his best game yesterday but IMO he is inaluable to the team and as such no agreement has been made as to his future and if he goes for one last big pay day Jenkinson is not experienced to fill his boots.
    Will Rosicky get another year.
    We have at this moment come a long way since last season and we face the possibility of losing Sagna, Vermaelen, Fabianski (definitely) and these players have to be replaced as the squad isn’t big enough now with experience.

  260. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Ooo err, long “dark phase”

    Managed to contain mine a bit :-)

  261. Gööner In Exile says:

    Kelsey I think Arteta is showing why it’s a problem to extend +30 year olds. It has to be case by case but he has had two games back…possibly three? And he still hasn’t found the pace yet. Oxlade Chamberlain has shows limited signs of rust and has been laid up longer.

    Some would argue Wilshere and Rambo took a while to get going but they were season long lay offs, Arteta has been out for a few weeks and is struggling to get back to full pace. So where a player has had several injury lay offs it becomes difficult to extend the contract.

    Strangely TR7 does not seem to suffer the same lack of pace when returning from injury.

  262. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Chas
    At a party last night, they had a Jam cover band. Pretty damn good.

  263. evonnee says:

    GiE – I avoid self harm and get up after the MoD, could not possibly watch it. Swiftly switched to 80 News and muted the sound in case sport was on.
    Yep, we are in February and things are shaping in a manner we are accustomed to. From hoping for a treble, to trembling in hope we finish in top 4. No, I am not a troll, just an experienced supporter. As much as it hurts me to say this I am going to voice my fears – we are heading for a big dip and may not recover from it till April/May.

  264. chas says:

    Truth be known, Ive always been a miserable little fucker, I just hide it well and can’t see the point of giving in to it as some do.

  265. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Yip, agreed. At the end of the season we’ll be either 1st, or 5th or something. Whatever.

  266. evonnee says:

    Micky – you went to a party after that game??

    And yes GiE, our season was in jeopardy before yesterday’s game, but we didn’t know that :)

    silly twins :) great gadget, need to buy one

  267. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    I think we will still win the league

    The current set up has one fundamnetal weakness against the better teams.They press us high up the pitch and we end up running backwards. In modern football, this is the best way to concede goals

    This tactic also means that when we do manage to bypass the press, the opponent is in shape. How many times did we have Liverpool turned yesterday?

    What can win us the title is our home form. We move the ball so well at home that these tactics are not as potent.

    Our next three Utd. Liverpool, and Munich are at home. This is the our test, it starts Wednesday, and it is one which we shall pass.

  268. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Any one try to argue with me, you will be punnished.

    But in a nice way

  269. kelsey says:

    Terry

    The only thing that might win us the league is to keep beating all the teams below 7th, getting a better points tally than the last few years against our remaining games against the other teams in the top 7 and of course all the other teams in the title race taking points of each other :

    So Sanogo gave Mertesacker a black eye in training, what’s that all about.

  270. Tactical issues dont worry me, its the lack of game-management, fight and leadership when 2-0 down that was the big problem.

  271. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Happy with that outlook Transplant.

    My footbally comment, is that we really blew a gasket when Theo exploded. We lack variation, alternative attacking dimensions and, as he was about to be tried centrally, outlets for the Ozil Mesmetron :-) (copyright Arsenal Gentleman)

  272. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Utd and City home are must wins Kelsey, and we are capable of doing it.

    The same principle applys in the cups. Liverpool home and Munich in the Champions league. Strong performances and we will be in a very good position

    I am not over concerned about the teams outside the top seven. We have proven our consistency there. in many ways they do not have the players to expose our weaknesses.

    I repeat, we have a great chance to win this league

  273. TMHT,

    On paper that is fine, but confidence is huge in all sports, and none of us will know until Weds at the earliest what lasting effect yesterdays result will have on the team.

    I still think if we beat United we have a great chance to win the league, but we cant afford heads to drop or it could be season over by Weds next week.

  274. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    I agree with that Micky, Theos injury is a big loss.

    I also agree with you Ginge. A lot that went wrong had nothing to do with tactics.

    However, i know how effective our game at home can be. We can beat the top sides at the Grove. This will give us every chance to win something this season.

  275. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Dont think heads will drop Ginge. we will come out all guns blazing Wednesday night.

    One thing this current pool of players have proved the last 12 months or so is that they are fighters.

  276. Morning all

    We have a New Post ……….

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