Our Destiny Lies In The Hands Of One Man

Something very important for Arsenal takes place tonight. Coupled with our remaining two games, this is perhaps what our season comes down to. No trophies again (8 years!!), and fighting for a top 4 finish.

One man will have a huge level of influence in determining the outcome of this fight. Not Cazorla, not Walcott, not Bale. These players will be important, but will be less important than another man who takes the field.

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By now, most of you probably know I am talking about Mike Dean, the referee who takes charge of the Chelsea-Spurs clash tonight, and then our game against Wigan next week. Mike Dean, under whom we have a relegation worthy record, who celebrates when we lose Carling cup finals, or go a goal down and effectively 13 points behind Spurs. Mike Dean, who is from Wirral, and under whom Wigan have a win percentage near that of a CL team. Mike Dean, who basically is a clone of Mike Riley, the current chief of the Pgmol, probably as a richly deserved reward for ending our glorious run of unbeaten games.

Click here to read how the Daily Mail assessed Dean’s anti Arsenal bias

Paranoid? Not really. Just cynical about there being a scenario where one man has an inordinate amount of influence towards determining who gets a 30m pound plus payoff next season. What was that thing about money and power?

A few days ago on this site, I ‘outed’ myself as a ‘conspiracy theorist’. I feel the analogy of being outed is fair because of the social pressure put on those that don’t take things at face value and ask questions as to what lies underneath. It is a subject close to my heart mainly because it destroys all that sport is, and not because Arsenal haven’t won a trophy for 8 years (yes..8.. Remember?) But I always feel I have to tread on eggshells when it comes to this. There’s this complete refusal among many, to examine issues that beg for closer inspection. Issues that the media should be bringing out rather than sweeping under the rug. Anyone challenging the might of this PR assault, is accused of being a conspiracy theorist. The term that brings images of people shutting themselves in the basement (or closets), wearing tin foil hats for fear of having their mind read etc etc.. Not reasonable people, with legitimate reasons for having legitimate doubts, about a system which operates so much like an old boys’ network, in such an opaque manner, with so much money swimming around, that actually, the onus should be on them to prove that they are not corrupt.

But how do I feel about this as an Arsenal fan, rather than just a sports fan? I feel we were cheated from winning the title in 2008. I didn’t feel this at the time. It was the ManU-Wigan game at the end of that season, when wanting ManU to win (so that Chelsea wouldn’t) I saw Steve Bennett help Manchester United win the title. Rafa Benitez, in his ‘rant’ also made mention of this game the following year. I am not sure whether Liverpool were cheated out of their title as well, but I don’t believe the narrative that his ‘rant’ was the reason for their capitulation. I feel over the years we’ve had so many inexplicably poor decisions go against us, we’ve been allowed (by referees, and the media)to be systematically assaulted on the field (as evidenced by the number of broken legs in a short space of time), and off the field, through the narrative of Arsenal. And that in the years 2009-10, and 2010-11, this too played a part in us falling short (Note the word ‘too’)

Now, I am told that all football fans feel their team is discriminated against. Both by refs and the media. Perhaps this is true, although a lot of Arsenal fans seem to be quite perverse in that sense. And I am always, even now, open to the possibility of me being wrong about this. In fact, I positively hope I am. I’d rather my team was completely to blame for their loss/failings rather than only partially.

But a system more geared for corruption, I don’t think I can think of. No one that I know ever disputes FIFA being corrupt. Nor Uefa. Nor the Italian League after Calciopoli. Nor the Germans since they uncovered their own refereeing scandal. England though, is special. It doesn’t matter how many stats pop up, such as ManU going 560 days without a red card or a penalty, or Rio Ferdinand only getting one yellow card in a season where he kungfu kicks Sagna. No matter that Rooney (and now even RVP) can elbow an opponent in the head without it getting called a red card (a yellow protects them from being banned) , doesn’t matter that referee appointments are made arbitrarily (but unfortunately, not without design it seems) This current example of Dean is hardly an isolated occurrence. Atkinson didn’t referee ManU again for 11 months after Chelsea beat them in a contentious game. Clattenburg didn’t referee ManU again for a similar period after refereeing excellently in their humiliating 6-1 home loss to City. All these facts are from memory. I don’t have time to do the research, but there are people out there who do this. They do it in the belief of something being wrong with the game they love, not the team they love (most of them aren’t Arsenal fans)

Why Arsenal? Why ManU? Why??? I don’t have the answers. Only theories and more questions, which, if I have time, I’d be happy to share. Giving voice to them might make me a conspiracy theorist in the eyes of some. I don’t care. At this point, all that matters to me is that wherever we end up, it is to do with the players on the field and not the referees. Or should I say referee??!

Written by Shard

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216 Responses to Our Destiny Lies In The Hands Of One Man

  1. Fiiiiiiiirrrrrrrrrrrrrrrsssssssssssssttttttttttttttttttt !!!!!!!!!

  2. And today’s little-known fact is…
    Rip van Winkle comes from Norfolk.

  3. chas says:

    Wow, quite exceptional, Shard.

  4. Big Raddy says:

    Shard. Fantastic post.

    However, I am not a conspiracy theorist and believe that English football is as straight as it can be.

    That is all it is – belief.

    We shall see tonight.

  5. Big Raddy says:

    AL. Shard says find them yourself as he hasn’t got time. Untold Arsenal has the stats on all the referees and tend to back up Shard’s post (that some refs are anti-Arsenal)

  6. GoonerB says:

    Excellent report Shard. I think that Arsenal should be making more of a “behind the scenes” fuss about this ref and put pressure on the F.A. to look at it. If they push it to one side then I think the club should provide a dossier on the decisions that Dean makes against various teams. This could go back over a few seasons and look at the consistency of his decision making. If the F.A refuse to consider it behind the scenes, then go public if major discrepancies are identified.

    I am sure that is what Utd do because, you are right Shard, that refs that don’t role over to be tickled by Sir Claret Hooter tend to end up on a prolonged leave of absence. Being even more conspiratorial could it come down to which clubs have prominent board members walking the corridors of power in the F.A. It does seem that we have had less a rub of the green since David Dein severed his ties with us. Have we got anyone on our board still with influence within the F.A? What is Utd’s level of influence within the F.A?

  7. mickydidit89 says:

    Shard,
    Superb, thank you.
    Football is corrupt from the very top, as we’ve seen from World Cup Hosting backhanders being exposed.
    I’m not at all convinced about Refs in the Prem. If they hated Arsenal so much, and equally fell over to help Utd, why not rule the Theo goal offside simply because it was a close call and get-awayable.

    Mind you, a few weeks go, the straight believing Raddy posted this: :-)

  8. Norfolk Gooner says:

    It’s official, Old Red Nose is retiring at the end of the season. Statement from MUFC.

  9. Big Raddy says:

    The end of an era.

    So long SAF. I will miss you.

    Jose´?

  10. Hendongunner says:

    Well thought out article Shard. It have raised some very valid points regarding the Premier League.It will take someone with iron balls to question and investigate the integrity of the Premier League which has for years fallen foul to Match fixing by match officials.I have for long believed that the Referees in the UK are as bent as the Police!

  11. Big Al, I’ve just checked, it’s four o’clock in the afternoon in Thailand. You’ve had all day to sit and hit the refresh button, no wonder you always get to be first

  12. Shard says:

    Morning all,
    A couple of fairly big stories have popped up since I wrote this. The first, yet to be confirmed, is to do with our new kit deal, and the second, now confirmed is that Srallex has retired. I expect there’ll be much discussion about these in the comments, and since I don’t have much time, I’ll just get a couple of things out of the way.

    BR,
    You are lucky. I wish I could believe what you do. The sport would have so much for enjoyment for me. I hope you are right and I am wrong. However I disagree that today will show anything conlusively either way. It’s sort of a quantum physics sort of situation. You might just change the properties of something by the simple action of looking at it. I felt before the ManU-Chelsea match that Webb will see it as the perfect opportunity to cure his reputation of being Fergie’s rent boy. Although I don’t think that is what Dean will do, but it is a possibility. I accept this makes it a classic conspiracy theory which cannot be disproved, but I’m not looking for proof right now, since I believe it is unobtainable. Just clues.

    Which brings me to Mickydidit. Micky, I don’t think I ever claimed they hate Arsenal so much..At least I don’t believe it’s entirely that. In fact, I’m still open to the possibility that even of there is a fix, they actually want us in the top 4. (Although, due to one sentence in one statement, I have a feeling that this season will be different) In fact, when it comes to simply referees, I remember I wrote an earlier article on this site which claimed we should be looking at those that appoint/promote/observe referees more than the refs themselves.

    Which now leads to GoonerB’s excellent point about looking at our influence in the corridors of power. I feel this is what David Dein did for us more than anything. But ManU’s power is huge. The Fa’s incoming chairman is a ManU fan, as is their Vice chairman, David Gill (I think), as is the newly announced chairman of the PL. Apparently (source a guy called 12th man on his twitter) Giroud’s red card appeal was chaired by former Tottenham, and current ManU club secretary John Alexander. It is here that decisions are made, and not so much by referees themselves, most of whom, I truly believe would want to referee a game as fairly as possible if not for the pressures of their job, or in any case would be forced to, were it not for the powers that be. Gazidis though, is slowly making his way into some positions of influence within the FA.

    You only need to see what makes Arsenal different if you are wondering why they would be discriminated against. Is anyone else running our financial model, while being at our level? I believe it is something to do with that.

    One last thought. In my experience people from newer ‘markets’ for the league have been more open to the idea of there being widespread corruption. Perhaps, because like myself, they come into the game not having any idea about what to expect. I merely wanted to enjoy the games, even if Arsenal lost, because my connection with them was just forming on its own, and not something I had to do. I always felt there was some bias against Arsenal, but I had seen bias in other sports before and although annoying, it is natural, and I was fine with it. Somewhere down the line, I felt that jump from bias to manipulation was made.
    It might also have something to do with most people in the UK relying on MOTD to see the games, and their selection of highlights and analysis often obscures the true nature of the game. Anyway.. this post is too long now, and I have to study.. :)

    P.S. Big Al, I don’t know what you mean.

  13. evonne says:

    Fergie is a goner, Fergie is a goner!!!! Yeepee!!!

    off to read the post

  14. Big Raddy says:

    Shard. Fine research on the “corridors of power”. I had no idea it was so MU biased.

  15. Big Raddy, and Shard
    I also don’t have the time.

    So, here’s just a meagre amount of related stats for this season only :

    2012-13 : Mike Dean has officiated in 3 Arsenal games to date.

    Man City 1 – Arsenal 1
    Man City 1 yellow card
    Arsenal – no cards issued

    Man Utd 2 – Arsenal 1
    Man Utd – 5 yellow cards
    Arsenal – 3 yellow cards, 1 red card (Wilshere). 2 of the yellows were for Wilshere (both definite bookings) resulting in the red card.
    Man Utd awarded penalty (Cazorla raided both arms to block the ball – definite penalty by the (very clear) letter of the law)

    Arsenal 0 – Man City 2
    Arsenal – 2 yellow cards, 1 red card (Koscielny hauled opponent down rugby style – definite penalty)
    Man City – 4 yellow cards, 1 red card (Kompany tackle supposedly dangerous: 2-footed, showing studs – perhaps debatable, certainly debated)

    @ Big Raddy – you say “However, I am not a conspiracy theorist and believe that English football is as straight as it can be.”
    Me too. And I’m well aware of the ‘Untold Arsenal’ site by the way. A site with a ‘very clear agenda’ as regards referees. I’ll leave it there…

  16. mickydidit89 says:

    Shard,
    I like your second post as much :-)
    I absolutely believe that power corrupts and that people protect themselves and their own.

  17. TT says:

    I do wonder when referees behave like this (Arsenal v Tottenham 2012):

  18. Hallelujah. Good fucking riddance

  19. Big Al
    Everything is corrupt. Why should football be any different?

  20. Shard says:

    Big Al

    Well played. But my argument doesn’t resolve so much around stats alone. Just that there are a lot of weird stats that pop up around Manchester United specifically. As for Dean, since you are aware of Untold, you must know as well that the way he influences matches isn’t always through the big calls. Look for the little fouls that disrupt/decide the flow of the game with him. Dowd in the Newcastle game, probably couldn’t achieve that level of mastery. If anything Dowd is a fairer referee than Dean is. Despite that game, which was as clear a fixed game as there could be. Arsenal’s failings notwithstanding.

  21. Rasp says:

    Hi Shard, thanks for the post, I hope you approve of the additions I slipped in.

    GM is correct, corruption is everywhere and endemic in football – match fixing in Spain and Italy, drugs cheats in Spain and worst of all Qatar getting the WC.

    The likelihood is that refs like Dean are simply exhibiting their own bias. This may be subliminal (they are human beings) but when such obvious patterns develop, the governing bodies should intervene to remove referees who are incapable of being impartial.

  22. Shard says:

    Rasp

    Yes, thank you for the post, and your additions are welcome.

    I just realised that although the focus was on Dean, his assistants deserve a mention too.

    Tottenham 1 – 1 West Brom Mike Dean J Collin J Brooks
    Southampton 2 – 3 Man Utd Mike Dean J Collin J Brooks
    Man City 1 – 1 Arsenal Mike Dean J Collin J Brooks
    Swansea 2 – 2 Reading Mike Dean J Collin J Brooks
    Newcastle 0 – 1 West Ham Mike Dean J Collin J Brooks
    QPR 1 – 3 Southampton Mike Dean J Collin J Brooks
    Man City 1 – 0 Reading Mike Dean J Collin J Brooks
    Man Utd 4 – 3 Newcastle Mike Dean J Collin J Brooks
    Aston Villa 0 – 1 Man C Mike Dean J Collin J Brooks
    Norwich 2 – 1 Reading Mike Dean J Collin J Brooks
    Chelsea v Tottenham Mike Dean J Collin J Brooks
    Arsenal v Wigan Mike Dean J Collin J Brooks

    They seem to do a lot of games together. One of either Collin or Brooks was also the linesman who told the ManCity players to go applaud their fans who paid 62 pounds to see them.

  23. Shard says:

    Sigh.. Ok.. I’m off now for a bit.. Hopefully I can focus my mind on what I need to right now…

  24. Rasp
    The governing bodies are the most corrupt so don’t hold your breath.

    I hope the mancs get maureen

  25. goonermichael says
    “Everything is corrupt. Why should football be any different?”

    I’m not corrupt. Are you?
    I know personally / have known personally many, many people in my lifetime, and can’t think of even one that fits the bill.

    Premiership referees “corrupt” ?
    Premiership referees part and parcel of a “fixed game” ?
    “Conspiracy” ?

    And the referees’ motive, detective goonermichael, is… ?
    And note, refereeS, plural.

    So how many bent refs in total do you think are corrupt, fixing games, conspiring?

    Give us a ball park figure…

    Daft.
    Totally, utterly, unequivocably daft.

  26. Shard, at 11.08
    That, surely has to be a wind-up.

    Coincidence? Erm… that’s a lot of coincidences…

    How about teamwork, as in a team (of three)… ?
    Well spotted though, Eagle-eye Shard.

    Give me strength…

  27. Mike Dean as ref for Arsenal games this season W0 D1 L4 – good luck guys versus Wigan

  28. Big Raddy says:

    Hate to say it but I am with Big Al on this one.

    Rasp’s examples are undeniable but apart from GG, name a proven case of corruption in the EPL?

    Al. Is tax avoidance a corruption? If so, many of my friends could be considered corrupt!

  29. Mike Dean as ref for Arsenal games last 5 years W4 D5 L14 – good luck guys versus Wigan – CONSPIRACY

  30. last 5 years we have won 17% of games where Mike Dean has bean REF, bit of a shit then that we need 3pts against Wigan

  31. Great post Shard
    I’m very upset about this appointment

  32. mickydidit89 says:

    On the back of todays chat, I’m even tempted to watch the game this evening, just to go on “ref watch”.
    Do I assume conspiracists believe he will ensure a Spud victory ?

  33. The font says:

    Is it really (8 years since we won a trophy)

  34. Big Raddy.
    “Hate to say it but I am with Big Al on this one.”

    Why exactly do you hate to say it?
    You just beat me as regards George Graham, by the way, which I was about to mention myself.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Swan_%28footballer_born_1936%29Betting scandal
    The infamous betting scandal which also involved two other Wednesday players, Tony Kay and David Layne happened at the end of 1962, when all three bet on Sheffield Wednesday to lose their away match at Ipswich Town F.C. on Saturday 1 December 1962 … Swan received a four-month jail sentence in Lincoln jail and a life ban from football… [edited by myself]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Grobbelaar
    In 1994 Bruce Grobbelaar was charged with conspiracy to corrupt, along with the Wimbledon goalkeeper Hans Segers and Aston Villa striker John Fashanu.

    So few and far between…

  35. i believe that Mickey, after 85mins and nil nil u watch Spuds get a dodgy pen decision.
    Then watch AFC get someone sent off first 10mins versus wigan!
    Theres coincidence mate, but this doesnt fall in to that category mate.

  36. Big Al
    I didn’t say everyone I said everything

    Do you honestly think the Italians are that different to us?.

  37. I was only eight years old when in 1962, but remember it from all those years ago.

    And the rest of the scandals in our oh-so-corrupt English game (?)…
    …keep ‘em coming, folks…

  38. Big Raddy
    Get yourself some new friends :-)

  39. Ian Ure Face says:

    # Breaking News #

    Torrential Tears have flooded parts of Surrey !.

  40. goonermichael
    It would seem that the Italians are that different to us, yes [allegedly] :-)

  41. goonermichael
    “I didn’t say everyone I said everything’

    And business and football are run by (?)…
    …people.

  42. Hi jonathan
    “last 5 years we have won 17% of games where Mike Dean has bean REF”

    Who were our opponents in those games?

  43. Banks are corrupt
    Governments are corrupt
    The music industry is corrupt
    Religions are corrupt
    Arms companies are corrupt
    Drugs companies are corrupt
    My own industry is corrupt
    Fifa is corrupt (to the core)
    Charities are corrupt

    The Balkan leagues, the Asian leagues and the Italian league is corrupt.

    The premier league is a shining example of non corruption. Do me a favour.

  44. Big Raddy says:

    Al. Because I like to go with the flow – it makes for an easier life!

    There is no question that Italians have a different view on corruptions. Italians expect their leaders to be corrupt and shoot those who are non-corruptible (allegedly)

  45. hi big al
    4 wins last 5 yrs, 17% of games played
    spuds 5.2 11/12
    leeds 3.1 10/11
    blackburn 4.0 8/9
    chelsea 2.1 8/9

  46. goonermichael, at 12.14 pm
    You may well be correct, but as regards the Premier League…
    where exactly is the corruption?

    I’m not picking an argument, mate, but describe and prove said corruption and then maybe I’ll be swayed.

    The ball is now back in your court… :-)

  47. Please tell wenger to be compectitive like Man U & Chealsea. We love Arsenal so much over here but Wenger keep toying with our emotions.

  48. jonathan
    Sorry, mate.
    I meant to ask : Who did we “LOSE” to.
    Genuine stupid mistake on my part.

    The reason(s) I ask is
    a) I know you’re a “stats man” and so maybe you have the stats ready for me (us).
    b) Should be obvious to your good self (and others)…

    If you can’t be bothered I’ll understand – I’m stats-weary at the mo’.

  49. Big Al
    The Italians had the guts to investigate their league and exposed the corruption. The corruption wasn’t match fixing but making sure “friendly” refs took charge of games. Until the FA have a thorough investigation I won’t change my view.

    If the FA have an independent investigation and find no corruption then then I’ll know I’m wrong.

    Do you seriously not believe Webb doesn’t favour the mancs?

  50. jonathan
    And while I have your attention, a question…
    …do you, personally, believe this particular ref is anti-Arsenal, and if so, why (?).

    It’s a genuine question. Has a motive; if so, what is the motive?

    Take your time, it’s a long evening ’til the game.

  51. goonermichael
    Again, with slight amended text…

    I’m not picking an argument, mate, but describe and prove said corruption IN THE ENGLISH GAME, not the Italian game, and then maybe I’ll be swayed.

    The ball is now back in your court… :-)

  52. Shard says:

    There was once a man named Alfred Wegener who proposed the outlandish idea that the world as we know it, was once very different. The continents were all one landmass. He was not a specialist in geography. But in his field of work (climatology) he came across certain evidences which made him think of this a possibility, and perhaps the only likely explanation. The geographers of his time asked him to explain how this process would work, and when he did so (incorrectly), they discredited his entire work because of it. It took a century for people to realise that he was right in his ideas all along.

    The point is that a theory is just that. A theory. It has certain evidences to back it up. Sometimes the theory comes up only to explain certain facts. But proof is a whole different thing. Sometimes it is unattainable. But lack of proof doesn’t make an idea wrong, regardless of specifics. Which side you fall on in this debate depends on a lot of things, not the least of which is personal bias, which we all have. I am not here to convert anybody. I don’t have time an I can do without the aggravation of people asking for ‘strength’. I wrote this simply because I believe it is happening, I was pissed off about it, and I wanted to give people a point of view. The rest, do on your own, if you wish.

    Right..Off again..

  53. I can’t so we’ll leave it at that.

  54. Red Arse says:

    Interesting Post, Shard, :-)

    We have had Posts on this subject previously as well as Post about the invidious ‘red top’ press, and my view expressed then is the same as it is now.

    It cannot be denied that there is a cross section of people in all walks of life who are prone to ignore accepted social and moral standards.

    Therefore it would be naive to imagine that this does not apply to referees and newspaper journalists.
    Among the decent referees or journalists there will inevitably be some miscreants among the majority ‘good’ guys just trying to earn a living.

    Systematic corruption to which the ‘authorities’ simply turn a blind eye is just too far fetched.

    However, there is evidence of corruption of individuals in cricket, who have been paid, by the betting industry, mainly based on the Indian sub-continent to affect results by batting or bowling badly, and thereby throwing games.

    It is possible this could have extended to other sports, but this type of corruption is inherently reliant on the players involved, not the match officials, and not just because of a personal whimsy affecting a referee’s judgement, because he does not like Arsenal.

    Sorry I am not convinced.

  55. GoonerB says:

    Interesting debate on the potential for corruption in the EPL relative to other countries and other industries.

    I would say that it is more likely that there will be a higher level of corruption in football in other countries than in England, but I would also say that my gut feeling is that there has been and likely continues to be some level of corruption within English football. Some of it, although minimal, has already been proven, but it is likely to be on a smaller scale than elsewhere and is less obvious and therefore more subtle and harder to detect and prove.

  56. @ big al
    sorry mate 12 losses
    brad/black/mu/mc 12/13
    spuds/mu/qpr 11/12
    birm/nufc/chavs 10/11
    mu/chavs 09/10
    i had 2 draws in 09 down as defeats
    hope this helps

  57. charybdis1966 says:

    Afternoon all, firstly and most importantly – GOOD RIDDANCE YOU DRUNKEN OLD RED NOSED FRONT BOTTOM ! I WON’T MISS YOU OR ANY OF YOUR SNIVELLING TOADIES IN THE PRESS/MEDIA DEIFYING YOU EVERY CHANCE THEY GET !

    Secondly, well argued Shard and I already had misgivings about the match next Tuesday, but I will be booing and hissing the despicable Dean at the ground even more so.

    It’ll be down to the gooners like myself at the match next Tuesday to exert all the home pressure possible and let no dodgy decision go unnoticed.

  58. GoonerB says:

    Big Al, I think it is impossible for any fan or blogger to prove corruption in English football and it is only opinions after all. It would be like asking the millions of people that believe there is life in the Universe beyond our planet to prove it.

  59. GunnerN5 says:

    I am most certainly not a conspiracy theorist, but I do believe that some form of bias is always possible. As most of you already know I usually base my opinions on statistical data, even given the fact that stats are the result of decisions.

    Here are the stats for Mike Dean
    AY = Yellows given to Arsenal, OY = Yellows given to opposition.
    AR = Reds, etc….etc…

    Arsenal —W14. D11, L8, AY68, OY62, AR2, OR3
    Chelsea –W24, D7, L8, CY73, OY78, CR6, OR1
    Man U —-W19, D5, L5, MY35, OY63, MR1, OR3
    Spurs —- W16, D10, L9, SY51, OY65, SR4, OR7.

    I leave it up to you to detect a conspiracy.

  60. Gooner In Exile says:

    Afternoon, nice post Shard, and it is hard to not feel this way about refs, too many decisions against us too many 50/50 calls against us etc etc.

    But if it were that corrupt then we would never have made top 4 all these years.

    I just think the referees are generally awful and that the PGMOL closed shop is a bit clandestine.

  61. Red Arse says:

    Commiserations, CharyB! :D

    I thought of you when I heard the news of Plum Proboscis retiring and thinking to myself, what will CharyB do for an encore?

    I suspect that whoever his successor will be, that you will find something with which to castigate him. :-)

  62. charybdis1966 says:

    Don’t worry Redders, there’s plenty about ManUre that still stinks, from their glory hunting plastic supporters to the favouritism they get from the refs and media alike.

    The figure head turd of ManUre may be retiring but as a club they still stink aplenty.

    Unless the successor to claret conk is full of humility and fairness(yeah, fat f***ing chance) he will be tarred, and guilty, by association with ScumChester United. :)

  63. Gooner In Exile says:

    GN5 are you saying Dean might prefer not bring blasted by SAF? Well guess that’s going to change.

  64. Someone suggested that rednose bought judas as a short term fix to win the league before retiring. Turns out they were right.

  65. Norfolk Gooner says:

    Conspiracy theories are just that theories! They are as impossible to prove as they to disprove.

    I just cannot accept that there can possibly be a cabal within the PMGB which is actively conspiring to adversely affect Arsenal’s results. It’s really to silly for words.

    Quoting statistics wont prove or disprove anything either. To quote Benjamin Disraeli “There are lies, damned lies and statistics”.

    Conspiracy theories are good for a laugh, but give them any credence? To quote John McEnroe “You cannot be serious”.

  66. Gooner In Exile says:

    Mourinho has a decision to make now……

  67. charybdis1966 says:

    Ha, wouldn’t it be funny if the Chavs had to ask AvB to come back, GiE if Maureen got into bed with ManUre?

  68. GunnerN5 says:

    GIE,

    I’m sure that there is some form of bias involved but to believe in a conspiracy is going a bridge too far,

    Here are the points won percentages when Mike Dean has been the referee.

    Arsenal = 53.5%
    Chelsea = 67.5%
    Man U = 71.3%
    Spurs = 55.2%
    Wigan = 54.0%

  69. Red Arse says:

    Hi GN5, :-)

    Those are stats which put more facts in the pot to fuel the debate, rather than ‘gut feelings’ and natural bias.

    Without putting any weighting into the calculation for the different number of games Dean has officiated for each team, on the face of it, Arsenal do not look to have been too badly treated by him.

    This is particularly true for the comparison between us and Chelsea and Spurs, particularly as related to red Cards.

    The main difference when comparing Arsenal, Chelsea and Spurs to Manure is the much lower number of yellow cards issued to the Mancs, and to a lesser extent, the number of red cards issued to Chelsea and Spurs, but I suspect that this can be explained as a statistical anomaly, without seeing further comparative evidence of how the statistics of other referees shape up alongside dean’s.

    Interesting.

  70. LB says:

    If you were a manager who do you think it would be more difficult to manage Manu or Chavs?

    Would Maureen be more likely to succeed at Manu or Chelsea?

    Hmmmm.

  71. Rasp says:

    The bias lies in Dean’s subconscious and he is probably unaware of it. How long can a repeated pattern be viewed as a statistical anomaly before it is acknowledged I wonder?

  72. RockyLives says:

    Figures consistently show refereeing bias against Arsenal.

    Whether it’s “corruption” or just personal bias I don’t know.

    It has been mentioned that the vast majority of refs are from the north. Many northerners I have met in the past have a bit of a “thing” about London – a bit of a chip on their shoulder. I don’t suppose refs are automatically immune from such things.

    Al
    Any thoughts on Dean’s jump for joy when the Spuds scored against us?

    Not that it really matters. You should remember that absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

    Nice work Shard – well done.

  73. Norfolk Gooner says:

    Can nobody accept that we just have not been good enough to win more games regardless of some questionable decisions?

  74. GunnerN5 says:

    NG,

    There are lies, damned lies, and conspiracy theories?

    Statistics back that up?

  75. Shard says:

    Norfolk

    ” just cannot accept that there can possibly be a cabal within the PMGB which is actively conspiring to adversely affect Arsenal’s results.”

    People always misunderstand me when I say this. But, it is less to do with Arsenal, and more to do with something else. If Arsenal are discriminated against, it is more a byproduct than anything else. And I did mention that even if there is a fix, they might actually want Arsenal in the top 4. (We’re still a big club attracting big bucks. To harm us too much would harm them too) But this year might be different.

  76. Rasp says:

    Hi LB, we assume Maureen now has his pick of either job – but that may not be true. It sounds like SAF prefers his fellow scot. Which of the two are the supporters likely to favour? Personally I’d prefer Maureen to Moyes, but neither of them would be in my top 6.

  77. RockyLives says:

    Redders
    What about always-battling-relegation Wigan, whose win percentage under Dean is comparable to a top four side?

  78. LB says:

    Steady on Norfolk

    We can’t be admitting that.

  79. GN5
    those stats for dean are for his entire career.

  80. charybdis1966 says:

    Guess who sent Wenger to the stands at Old Toilet for kicking a water bottle?

    Yup, you guessed it, Mike Dean. That front bottom really hates us.

    That was the game he didn’t give a nailed on PK for the agricultural lunge on Arshavin by Fletcher – a PK against ManUre at Old toilet ? I should co-co.

    Even POGMOL realised it was an error and sent an apology to Wenger afterwards.

  81. Shard says:

    Arsenal’s record under Dean took a nosedive since around 2009.. Sure, our quality declined, but Dean hasn’t just reffed us in the big matches, and there is one other thing that happened then. Dean’s boss changed. Mike Riley became head of PGMOL a full two years before he was due to retire. Which actually is what happened with Busacca after the red card against RVP too. As to there being too many northern refs and this leading to bias. True. But who hires these refs and why? Is it to have certain conditions (like inherent bias) more conducive to manipulating results? Or are referees from the south just much worse than these northern refs who make so many errors but can’t be corrupt?

  82. GoonerB, at 12:55 pm
    Yes, my post was poorly written at 12.28 pm.
    Well spotted. Below is what I should have (sensibly) written.

    goonermichael
    Apologies for my bad use of English language at 12.28 pm – it made me look a bit of a pr@tt didn’t it?

    Try this…
    “…but describe and SHOW proven said corruption and then maybe I’ll be swayed.”
    Meaning that corruption has been proven (not by yourself, of course) but by those in authority, or by investigative sources.

    I don’t know of one case, personally.

  83. @goonern5
    dont know where you are getting those stats from ?
    just PL?
    How many years?
    …. doesnt stack up

  84. GoonerB says:

    I actually like Rasps view that the bias from refs is more in their own subconscious rather than being obviously on the take. It still doesn’t excuse the F.A for not looking closer at these issues to bring a fair balance to the league.

  85. GunnerN5 says:

    RA:

    We both realise that although statistics may be based of factual data
    the statistics themselves will also contain results that were possibly flawed. So a wise man takes them with a pinch of salt and forms his opinions based on the stats plus some reasoned judgement.

  86. GunnerN5 says:

    Got to go now – all of this blogging is cutting into the time I have allotted to create our off season posts.

  87. deans overall career officiating arsenal is
    W17 D14 L14 87 yel 2 red 2 pens for 4 pens against
    that evens things up a bit…
    but last 5 years more telling W4 D7 L12 he obviously has a beef with us within that 5 yrs

  88. Red Arse says:

    NG,

    It would appear we are in broad agreement in rejecting the contention, implied in the Post, that there is an obvious and systematic refereeing bias/corruption in the EPL.

    However, the use of the term “there are three kinds of lies:- lies, damned lies and statistics” is rather two edged.

    It has been used, in the past, to criticise or denigrate the use of data to bolster a poor argument, and that is fair enough, but the term has also been used when someone has tried to win an argument by attempting to put false doubt on the data by changing the emphasis and questioning the veracity of the numerical data.

    Just saying. :D

  89. Red Arse, at 1:13 pm

    Agreed.
    Also… maybe we drew and lost more games than the other teams shown because they are simply better than us?

    Better teams actually win more than other teams. That’s why they’re better :-)

    With or without the help of Dean and Co.

  90. GunnerN5 says:

    One last post.

    GM, you are correct the stats reflect Mike Deans entire career.

  91. @GN5
    well your stats are wrong then
    http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/arsenal-fc/schiedsrichter/verein_11.html
    in black & white including all cups

  92. click tab for “all time ref stats”

  93. Working class hero says:

    I placed a bet this lunchtime.
    Spurs to win tonight, Wigan to win next week.

    I suggest all do the same and spread the word. Then when the bets come in we could all join together and collectively send our betting slips to the national press and say we all knew this would happen and why.

    It needs major exposure, something to make damn sure the level of corruption is invstgated and then exposed.

  94. Red Arse says:

    Hi Rocky, :-)

    I was responding, in a general way, to the selective data presented, and mentioned it would have to be subjected to more detailed comparative study of al, the clubs and comparators with the data from other referees, to eliminate any statistical anomalies.

    In fact, this whole subject lends itself to a certain level of subjective paranoia, and is not usually amenable to a clear cut arms length conclusion because any participants cannot distance themselves from views they hold that are prone to being bolstered by data that suits and to ignoring data that does not.

    It is a little like my doubts on certain players, based on my subjective analysis of their performances, leading me to doubt their benefit to the team, while yours may, and often does, lead you to a totally different conclusion.

    Right and wrong do not really come into it, and subjective opinions, like this discussion about referees, is impossible to clinically prove one way or the other, however much fun there is in ‘debating’ it. :D

  95. Moyes is 1/10 for the manc job :)

  96. charybdis1966 says:

    So it looks like Mo from the Simpson’s will be purple proboscis’s replacement.

  97. Hi again Jonathan
    Thanks for the stats; I guessed you might have them to hand :-)

    My comment to you at 12.34
    “The reason(s) I ask is
    b) Should be obvious to your good self (and others)…

    The obvious being?
    Who were our opponents.
    I guessed you stats would show that at least 50% would be against the ‘decent’ teams, hence the number of losses.
    And it seems I was correct.

    So, your stats show 12 losses with Dean in charge.

    Manchester United; Manchester City … 2012/13
    Spurs; Manchester United … 2011/12
    Newcastle United; Chelsea … 2010/11
    Manchester United; Chelsea .. 2009/10

    7 of the 12 games (excluding Newcastle United) were against ‘decent’ teams.

    Newcastle, by the way, finished in 12th position.

    The fact is, this season, and in recent seasons past, we haven’t done well enough against the ‘better’ and ‘decent’ teams.
    Is that due to Dean and Co.?
    No!

    It’s down to the obvious fact that the ‘better’ teams are simply just that : BETTER

  98. Red Arse says:

    You be kind to him, if he does get the job, CharyB.

    He does have a habit of welling up if people are nasty towards him! :D

  99. charybdis1966 says:

    Does he really Redders ?

    Hahahaha, what a Patsie ! We should bring back Cesc purely to wind up that melty faced clunge.

  100. Red Arse says:

    I read this article written in the newspaper preferred by Hill Wood, and, if true, it does cast a slightly different light on to just what extent AW has power over whom he buys in the TW.

    Daily Star:

    ARSENE WENGER and his board are at odds over whether Arsenal should launch a summer move for Loic Remy or Wilfried Bony.

    Boss Wenger is a fan of fellow Frenchman Remy, 26, and wants the green light to firm up his interest in the QPR striker.

    But members of the Gunners board are understood to prefer to splash the cash on Vitesse Arnhem’s Ivory Coast hitman Bony.

    Bony, dubbed the new Didier Drogba, has impressed members of the Gunners hierarchy with his stunning goal-scoring exploits this season.

    The £7m-rated 24-year-old is the top scorer in Holland and hit an impressive 37 goals in 32 starts for club and country this season.

    Only La Liga superstars Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo have more goals in a major European League than Bony’s tally of 31.

    But Wenger, whose other top striker target is Fiorentina forward Stevan Jovetic, is a long-term admirer of Remy.

    He considered a move for him in January but decided against it due to the striker’s injury record.

    Now Remy has proved he can cut it in the Premier League with a string of eye-catching displays and five goals for relegated Rangers, Wenger is ready to make his move.

    Remy will also be available for a slightly lower price than Bony due to a £6m relegation release clause in his QPR contract.

    But the difference of opinion between Wenger and his board could leave Arsenal in danger of missing out on both.

    Remy and Bony, whose Vitesse deal expires in 2015, have both set their hearts on moves to Arsenal.

    But Tottenham, Liverpool, Newcastle and Everton are also keen on Remy.

    Meanwhile, Bony is also not short of admirers, including Chelsea and West Ham.

    And he made it clear his main aim is to secure a summer move to Premier League.

    He said last week: “I’m very interested in the Premier League and the atmosphere in England, it’s a wonderful league and we will see what happens.

    “For me the Premier League is the top league in Europe but the Bundesliga is also good. France, Italy and Spain, they’re all good too but England I think would be perfect.”

    How do you like dem tomatoes!! :D

  101. Red Arse says:

    CharyB,

    Moyes was interviewed on Sky, about three seasons ago, just after a match Everton had lost – a bit unluckily, and his big blue eyes filled up when he was asked an innocent type question, and he just could not continue. :-)

    I think it also happened on another occasion, but I cannot really recall the circumstances. Embarrassing!

    If Chas was here he could probably find the Vid. :-)

  102. @Charey
    LOL Mo from Simpsons never heard that one before but i can see it :-)
    Lets hope he does take charge…. rather him than Mourinho.
    @BigAl
    Yep i knew what you were driving at but by no means has it made me feel any easier about him taking charge v wigs

  103. We should be able to beat wigan even if dean puts on a wigan shirt.
    If we can’t well you know the saying.

  104. That’s probably the case Jonathan but it is talkshite

  105. GunnerN5 says:

    I should not keep popping back on the blog – as it always seems to cause a response.

    Jonathan,

    The Mike Dean vs Arsenal stats on the site you highlighted are-

    W14, D12, L10.

    The site that I use shows them as -

    W14 , D11, L8.

    Really not all that different.

    To state that I am “wrong” and you are “right” shows a distinct bias towards your site and is “put down” on both myself and the site that I prefer.

    Who knows who is “right” or “wrong” as neither of us are responsible for the content of the sites we chose to use.

    Back to off season posts………………..

  106. charybdis1966 says:

    Ha ha ha – yes, that does ring a bell Redders.

    Not such a tough guy is he then, all that “that’s how we tackle up north” after all that foulng by Felliani/Screetch(from Saved by the bell)the other week was just so much bluster, as I suspected.

    Should we present him with a pair of panties when he comes to our place next season ?

  107. RockyLives says:

    It’ll be Fellaini to Manure then.

  108. charybdis1966 says:

    and Baines, Mr Rock.

  109. No offense GN5
    i’m a little anal when it comes to stats :-)

  110. RockyLives says:

    Shard
    Well done – your Post has prompted a really good debate with many shades of opinion.

  111. I forgot to mention how good I think the post is. Well done Shard

  112. charybdis1966 says:

    One of the tributes to old Bacon face from an ex-ManUre player:
    “Everything he has done has been fantastic..He is a sensational person in every form”

    Uuuurgghghhhhhhhh, pass the sick bag Alice.

  113. Apparently Puma have tweeted that they are making a “massive” announcement tonight. What a fantastic day.

  114. rednose may be a great manager but as a person he is a classless scumbag

  115. charybdis1966 says:

    GM – that’s being unkind to classless scumbags – they are much more likeable than bacon face.

  116. Red Arse says:

    Oi, Rock ‘hit and run’ Diablo,

    Ask The American a question @ 1:18, and when he explains, just ignore him.

    You only get one bite at this Big Apple! :D

  117. RockyLives says:

    Redders :)
    I thought your answer was so complete in and of itself that it brooked no further debate :)

  118. RockyLives says:

    I will get round to reading your new article today!

  119. Red Arse says:

    Wot nu article is dat den?

  120. Red Arse says:

    We were talking, a little while ago about some of the very promising young talent we have coming through from the youth/reserve teams.

    Unsurprisingly, much was made of our hopes for the young German duo, Serge Gnabry and Thomas Eislfeld, because they had been superb in the early part of the season, and more recently, we have signed another German kid, (in January?) who has taken the U21s by storm, and goes by the name Gedion Zelalem.

    I have seen him play, as some of you probably have to, and at 16 he is already some player.

    I mentioned my own personal interest in Chuks Anneke who I think is one for the immediate future, but since the Next Gen series games, I have been mightily impressed by Chuba Akpom, who is big, fast and technically superb.

    Now that we have hit the TW silly season, it does not hurt to remember that AW does have to have a care when bringing in new talent or he might cut these guys off at the knees without giving them a chance to show what they are made of.

    Exciting — and a little worrying.

  121. Norfolk Gooner says:

    RA,

    What we need to do is to strip out the deadwood in the squad in order to make room for one or two of the youngsters but the priority must be to buy a couple of top class, ready made stars.

  122. Red Arse says:

    I agree, NG. :-)

    There is bound to be a big effort to move some of the surplus players on in the summer.

  123. RockyLives says:

    I’ve read it now Redders.

    Very persuasive.

  124. Red Arse says:

    Hi Rock,

    There is no easy option, but I wrote the first article re oligarch clubs, to show why I had started to change my mind on the impossible task of stopping the spread of non-football money, and then realised that without the FFP article, to elaborate more on why I was wavering, it did not make as much sense.

    This elitist approach by the European and English near autocracy, is a pan-football problem, and, to me, the UEFA and EPL versions of FFP are simply a method of ‘top’ clubs climbing into the life boat and casting off leaving the more unfortunate to swim for the shore in shark filled seas.

    Nothing classy about that. :-(

    I wish I could have written it with style, like you would have done, to make it less of a disjointed and difficult read.
    I am learning, at last, to touch type, and half concentrating on what I was writing, and half wondering where the bloody capital zee was!! :-)

  125. chas says:

    Conclusive proof :)
    http://bit.ly/pSzTDX

  126. LB says:

    Maurinho to Chelsea
    Moyes to Man U
    Martinez to Everton
    Benitez to Real Madrid

    The last one could be Peligrinni.

    This is my punt.

  127. LB says:

    GM made me laugh

    “What a great day” lol

    We just need chavs to beat spuds tonight to cap it off.

  128. Big Raddy says:

    Decent punt LB.

    Or Arsene to RM (just kidding)

  129. Rob Lucchi says:

    Robin Van Persie “I look forward to spending ‘many years’ working with Alex Ferguson.” That went well then.

  130. RockyLives says:

    Thanks Redders
    It’s probably not the place to discuss it here, but it was beautifully written and has actually changed my views on the subject (to be in line with your own conclusion).

  131. RockyLives says:

    dandan
    Brilliant :D

  132. Gooner In Exile says:

    Just a quickie about GN5′s stats earlier.

    The Yellow Card tallies are for me more telling than win percentages.

    Also what Ref Watch normally does is show our performance under one ref against our normal performance.

  133. Puma have just trolled us all lol.

  134. The BBC have an live alex ferguson retirement latest page.

  135. RockyLives says:

    GM
    Don’t understand your Puma comment…
    ?

  136. RockyLives says:

    Oh goody. I must keep refreshing that page to check he’s still retired… yawn…

  137. RockyLives says:

    I reckon it will be a Spud win tonight, sadly.

  138. mickydidit89 says:

    The Ref’s a Gooner :-)

  139. RockyLives says:

    Yes!
    Not often I find myself cheering a Chav goal.
    Did you see Barndoor’s lame attempt at a jump from the corner that led to Cahill’s goal?

  140. RockyLives says:

    Give it time Micky…

    I won’t relax until the Chavs are three up.

    A Chav win would be great for us.

  141. Big Raddy says:

    Did that really happen?

  142. charybdis1966 says:

    Dam you Adebarndoor !

  143. charybdis1966 says:

    Phew, Chavs 2-1 up now; always liked Ramires hahaharrgghhh.

  144. Come on Chavs do us a favour

  145. Don’t let my welsh man score tonight please
    Sheepy

  146. Rocky
    We’re doing a deal with Puma and they said they would make a “massive” announcement tonight. The announcement was about Aguerro wearing Puma boots in the FA cup final though.

  147. evonne says:

    Shard – very good post, excellent points made, well done!!

    I have no doubt the referees have ‘favourites’ and those they dislike, and use their position to influence results. But then again I wear tinfoil hat so nobody can read my mind :)

    2 fantastic goals tonight

  148. Big Raddy says:

    Very good game. Really surprised at how hard Torres works – his set up for Ramirez goal was Cazorla -ish

  149. I thought the chav second was superb raddy

  150. Walkers hair is embarrassing.

  151. Big Raddy says:

    GM. One of yours??

  152. How very dare you?

  153. Big Raddy says:

    Bolleaux

  154. evonne says:

    I am delighted to see many footballers with ‘proper’ haircuts, with a parting on a side. Nice and neat, and very masculine

    feck feck feck
    I cannot believe Manu appointed Moyes, shocking really
    AVB is a better manager, no?

  155. evonne says:

    1 all is not too bad for us, we still need to win both games

  156. RockyLives says:

    That’ll do.

    At least it’s in our hands.

  157. charybdis1966 says:

    So it’s squeaky bum time for the hapless Spuds…time for the spiral of negativity to continue twisting on eh AvB ?

  158. Big Raddy says:

    If Chavs had won then we only need 4 points, now we either have to take 6 or hope Spurs drop points again.

    Exciting….

  159. LB says:

    First time I have watched Chavs without wanting them to implode. They were good, I thought they were going to win comfortably until unfortunately they took their foot of the pedal.

    I didn’t realise that a draw meant that things were still in our hands.

  160. Shard says:

    It’s back in our hands now.

    As for Dean. That was a fairly refereed match, even if he was too lenient with the yellows. Much ado about nothing eh? :) I still think it isn’t nothing of course, and the Wigan game is still to come. But today, he was good.

    Thank you to evryone that took the time to read the article and comment. A bigger thank you to those that agreed with me :) To those that don’t, that’s your right, and I still hope you are right and I am wrong about this. I also feel however, that I am not completely able to get my point across on this entire issue. The referees are just the visible part of any corruption that might exist. And it certainly won’t be one person running the show. There will be many interest groups all looking out for themselves. They sometimes collide, and sometimes collude. Making it even tougher to analyse what is going on really. But I am almost certain that it isn’t all fair, but as long as it doesn’t impact the fairness of the game on the field, I probably wouldn’t care. But it does, and I do.

    So, 2 matches to go. Beat Wigan and Dean (hehe), and beat Newcastle and at the least we’ll be playing the qualifier for next year’s CL.

  161. LB says:

    Very exciting.

  162. Gooner In Exile says:

    Right let’s have a serious think about tonight and what we saw…..

    Cahill …… why did so many Gooners cry so hard when we didnt get him? Both Spud goals were preventable or at least harder if a centre back closes the player.

    Chavs generally looked shattered after 70 minutes…..cost of going for Europa?

    Spuds have more fight than I have seen from them in a long long time and AVB has definitely given them belief in their ability and his methods…..Abramovich dropped the ball sacking him when he should have just let the players who didnt like him walk.

    Ok now onto the happenings at United…..Fergie is taking a Director position so that would rule out so many managers like Mourinho who would not want him interfering. I’m glad Arsene has said before that when he is no longer Manager he would not take a seat upstairs.

    BSR is likely going to be managed by Moyes next season……ROLF.

    Phil Neville announced he would be leaving Everton, what chance a U-Turn into a Player Manager role? He has the coaching badges, and it could serve as his apprenticeship before taking the United job.

    I back Rooney to stay under Moyes but I would really like to see us make a bid to get him. It would send a notice through football world that we have changed our stance….more than signing anyone else would do.

  163. Gooner In Exile says:

    Really hope Swansea fans do this:

  164. “It is interesting that it appears Manchester United are going for another British manager because a lot of big clubs, such as Arsenal, Chelsea and Manchester City have hired foreign coaches with big names.

    “United have had all their success with British managers so why go in the opposite direction? It makes sense to go down the same route.”

    What a cretinous statement from lineker

  165. RockyLives says:

    Yeah – Wenger was such a huge name when we got him.

  166. Most of the mancs success has come from one manager too. lineker is a moron

  167. Shrek has asked for a transfer. Today is the day that just keeps giving

  168. RockyLives says:

    GM (and GiE)
    I would love us to get him.
    It could be the making of him (and us).

  169. mickydidit89 says:

    Morning all,
    Just seen the result :-)

    Spuds draw at Stoke on Sunday, we can clinch top 4 at home on Tuesday to Wigan.

    If Chavs draw at Villa on sat, and we beat Wigan by 3, we both go into final game all level. Crikey, they lose at Villa, and 3rd is in our own hands.

  170. mickydidit89 says:

    Shame really that it sounds like Chavs were running out of steam towards the end, what with their Stoke away fixture being moved forward to an early ko Saturday, to give them more time to recover ahead of the away Europa Final on weds, which itself comes moments before their game with Everton who will be sending Moyes off on a winning note.

    ROLF.

    3rd here we come :-)

  171. Red Arse says:

    Good Morning, Peeps, :-)

  172. chas says:

    Villa, Micky.

  173. chas says:

    Ah, that’ll teach me for reading comments back to front.

  174. chas says:

    GM,
    Big Ron the racist won the FA Cup.
    He was British. :)

  175. chas says:

    Everyone wants to leave the mancs since that dutch judas arrived stinking out the place.

  176. chas says:

    .too range within chavs the with exciting more far it’s realise now but ,lose would spuds the hoping was I, all Morning

  177. mickydidit89 says:

    Point good,
    Chas

  178. mickydidit89 says:

    Talking of exciting, let’s not forget the Didit Quiz, which is really hotting up as we come down the final straight.

    Quite a few of the runners and riders having fallen already.

  179. mickydidit89 says:

    You are right Chas, my 6:18 should say Villa away, not Stoke for Chavs.

    Mind you, Spuds at Stoke could be ROLFINGLY funny :-)

  180. chas says:

    Kelsey, Sheep, Jonathan and Tomatoface all out for predicting we’d get less than 67 points.
    Now that’s what I call dooming. :)

  181. mickydidit89 says:

    Cripes, I’m going to miss the Wigan game.
    Good news is I’ll be in Paris on mon and tues nights.
    Following the debacle of spending four nights in Birmingham, I’m now picking my business appointments destinations with far more care :-)

  182. chas says:

    You prediction is still right in the mix, Micky.
    Fancy donating your prize to a charity close to my home if you win?

    Poolis will roll over for the spuds, won’t he? Conspiracy theory day on the blog and all that.

  183. chas says:

    Micky, there’s a little Irish bar on the Champs-Elysees that shows all the Arse games. :)

  184. Big Raddy says:

    Morning All,

    Looks like BR hasn’t won the Micky pic.

    Gutted.Gave it my best shot but came up short. Perhaps playing away from home affected my performance. I gave 110% and can be happy with my performance.

    Next season I will come back stronger for the experience.

  185. chas says:

    You can tell I’m back on the broadband when I get a dose of blog comment diarrhea.

  186. Big Raddy says:

    I went to that bar after the Nayim incident.

  187. Red Arse says:

    Chas,

    Tomatoface? Que?

  188. Big Raddy says:

    Good to have you back Chas – your input has been much missed

  189. chas says:

    BR,
    I was wearing a David Seaman goalkeeping top and had no change of clothes with me. :(

  190. chas says:

    RA,
    Have a look at the DidIt competition widget. (It isn’t a reference to you)

  191. mickydidit89 says:

    Chas,
    Let’s face it, our lovely Kelsey was never going to predict six straight wins for us :-)
    Unlike you!

  192. chas says:

    A woman was very distraught at the fact that she had not had a date or any sex in quite some time.

    She was afraid she might have something wrong with her, so she decided to seek the medical expertise of a sex therapist. Her doctor recommended that she see Dr. Chang, the well-known Chinese sex therapist, so she went to see him.

    Upon entering the examination room, Dr. Chang said, “OK, take off all you crose.” The woman did as she was told. “Now, get down and craw reery, reery fass to odder side of room.” Again, the woman did as she was instructed. Dr. Chang then said, “OK, now craw reery, reery fass back to me.” So she did.

    Dr. Chang shook his head slowly and said, “Your probrem vewy bad. You haf Ed Zachary Disease. Worse case I ever see. Dat why you not haf sex or dates.”

    Worried, the woman asked anxiously, “Oh my God, Dr. Chang, what is Ed Zachary Disease?”

    Dr. Chang looked the woman in the eye and replied, “Ed Zachary Disease is when your face rook Ed Zachary rike your ass.”

  193. chas says:

    Micky,
    I can’t stand it when I bother posting comments and they get completely ignored. Everyone thinks I’m a doomer on here.

  194. Red Arse says:

    That’s scandalous, Chas!! :D

    The very idea that you might have thought that I might have thought micky’s widget had any connection with moi!

    Tricky diversionary tactic, my man, so who is old tomatoface do you think? :-)

  195. Big Raddy says:

    :-) :-)

  196. chas says:

    I realise that kelsey, sheepy and Jonathan were all lowering their expectations really, so that they might be pleasantly surprised later.

    As for Tomatoface…….

  197. Red Arse says:

    Chas, :D :D

    “when your face rook Ed Zachary rike your ass.” :D

  198. Big Raddy says:

    Best joke on here since the MU fans after Rocky’s post

  199. chas says:

    Haha, just had a look to see if I could dig out a photo of Paris.
    Here you go, goalkeeping jersey and all.
    (Sorry I don’t look like Cuddly Dudley, RA)

    http://twitpic.com/cpawcq/full

  200. evonne says:

    there is a little Irish pub everywhere in the world :)

    Moyes in, Shrek out, Ronaldo in – ooo la la, I am loving this, hope they suffer all the turmoil possible. Ronaldo and van Judas playing together? Cannot see that, 2 huge egos

    I don’t want to upset anyone here, but I thought that the neighbours were very good yesterday

  201. Rasp says:

    Morning all, :lol: chas … better not tell the ‘fluctuations’ joke :?

    evonne, they were crap although Ade did put in his best shift of the season …. just when he’s looking for another big money move away

  202. chas says:

    Do you mean the spuds, Evonne?
    I thought they were utter garbage until the last 20 minutes, Barndoor’s goal aside.

  203. chas says:

    I don’t know that one, Rasp.
    Would it get by the peachy’s mum test?

  204. Red Arse says:

    What a good looking lad you are, Chas.

    The picture of languid insouciance!! :D

    I can see why Evonne finds you so ……………….. yummy!! :-)

  205. Red Arse says:

    Hi Rasper,

    I know the ‘fluctuations’ joke and I was just going to put it on.
    Perhaps I had better not. :-)

  206. Rasp says:

    Haha Redders, go ahead :)

  207. Rasp says:

    …. you’ve got 5 mins before I announce the new post …. :?

  208. Red Arse says:

    I was at my bank today; there was a short line.

    There was just one lady in front of me, an Asian lady who was trying to exchange yen for dollars.

    It was obvious she was a little irritated . . .

    She asked the teller, “Why it change? Yesterday, I get two hunat dolla fo yen. Today I only get hunat eighty. Why it change?”

    The teller shrugged his shoulders and said, “Fluctuations.”

    The Asian lady says, “Yeah, and fluc you white people too”

  209. Rasp says:

    On that note, I am pleased to announce that we have a …….

    …. New post …….

  210. I am from Wigan says:

    ” Mike Dean, who is from Wirral, and under whom Wigan have a win percentage near that of a CL team.”

    http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/wigan-athletic/schiedsrichterdetail/verein_1071_379.html

    Do you know what it sounds like ? It sounds like you are being a bad loser before a ball is kicked.
    Have a bit of respect and get your facts right.

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