A Fair Result or One We Got Away With?

I think the answer to that is a bit of both. Across 90 minutes on the balance of play, possession and opportunities carved out I don’t think that 3-1 over-flattered us. That we were still 1-0 down going into the 84th minute does leave a certain feeling of having got away with this one though. I will, however, look at the positives that we kept fighting and pressing and that this is a very important trait that I see increasingly in this squad, which should hold us in good stead for the future.

Pod v norwich

Early on we dominated possession and carved out a couple of decent openings. I thought some of our old failings of overplaying it and taking one too many passes rather than taking the shot at the right time was in evidence. The pitch was becoming slick from the rain and seemed to be begging players to hit hard low shots that could spin up off the pitch and cause their keeper problems. When we did shoot it seemed to be 2-3 passes too late and the shot became predictable.

Giroud headed onto the bar from a Sagna cross early on but our best chance of the first half was when Gervinho was put through one on one with their keeper courtesy of a slide rule pass from Santi. As their keeper came out Gervinho, rightly in my opinion, opted to go round the keeper but took far too heavy a touch which took him too wide and narrowed the angle. He still came close to finding the net but the ball went just wide of the far post. It would have been a tap in for any player following up and I thought Giroud was slightly guilty of ball watching. If you look at it again he jogs along watching Gervinho and suddenly realises too late he ought to be sprinting into the box. I think he could have got there had he instinctively set off at full pace the moment Gervinho was put through.

The second half seemed to continue where the first left off and we weren’t capitalising on our dominance in possession and territory and you just had a feeling what was coming next. Norwich had hardly troubled our goal but once again the old set piece goal against the run of play undid us on the 56th minute. I was seated behind the goal and remember looking at Turner and thinking I hope one of our bigger lads gets tight to him because he is a big chap and has a history of scoring from set pieces. The fact that arguably their most dangerous player at set pieces ended up getting a free unchallenged header reopens the debate about the merits of zonal marking.

I had to watch MOTD to get an extra feel for the game as it is easy to miss a lot when you sit directly behind the goal. I wanted to have a look at the lead up to the free kick and on initial evidence it looked like their player tripped over his own feet so I waited for the replay and the better camera angle to get a better idea but do you think MOTD were interested in looking at a potential injustice against Arsenal that resulted in a goal?

Gervinho and Jack hadn’t really been at the races in this game and Arsene waited another 4 minutes before subbing them for Walcott and Podolski. I felt it gave us a boost with Walcott causing immediate problems down the right and arguably our most natural finisher sniffing around their box. It didn’t take too long before a decent passing move saw Podolski clear and he smashed his shot against the bar. The equalising goal was still eluding us however and Arsene replaced Sagna with the Ox on the 80th minute for an all out assault on their goal. His introduction in addition to the other 2 subs did the trick and we all of a sudden looked far more direct and penetrative.

The equaliser came from a slightly controversial penalty decision. This time MOTD decided to make a real song and dance about it and funnily enough the pro Spurs Lineker, the just behind us in the league and soon to be playing us Everton manager, and the perennially Arsenal disliking Hanson all shouted injustice against Norwich. Keown showed in a close up that although they both grappled a bit the defender did indeed initiate the grabbing of Girouds shirt and clearly pulled him down. The ref should have seen it but didn’t and the linesman correctly spotted it from a greater distance. Well done to him I said as David Moyes, possibly with some ulterior psychological motive, intimated we had been thrown an incorrect decision. Anyway Arteta coolly slotted home and it was 1-1.

What came next was one of those ends that just makes you smile and, if anything, leave the game even happier than if you had the game sewn up on the hour mark. The players obviously realised the importance of the 3 points and kept pressing and cue 2 excellent goals in the last 2 minutes. Podolski’s goal for me illustrated why we should play him more often as no other Arsenal player has his finishing ability.

Happy gooners

A critical 3 points and on to the tougher fixture of Everton on Tuesday. I think we will have to be more clinical in attack and more solid on the set pieces if we want to get the 3 points in that game. Had it been Everton today I am not so sure we would have got away with it. On to the ratings :-

Fabianski 7 No chance for the goal and didn’t have much to do but made a couple of critical stops when needed.

Sagna 6 Considering we had them mostly pinned back he didn’t seem to offer too much to our offence in this game.

Vermaelen 7 Had a solid game. Not too much defending to be done. Their goal seemed to be a tactical fault of the whole team rather than being down to one individual.

Koscielny 7 Ditto for Kos as with TV.

Gibbs 7.5 First game for a bit and looked good both in attack and defence.

Arteta 7.5 Kept us ticking over and put in a good shift. A cool head when needed for the penalty.

Ramsey 8 My MOTM I thought Rambo had a good game today. He seems to have matured recently and today, despite no individual brilliance, I thought he gave an all action display in the Steven Gerrard mode.

Cazorla 7.5 At times drifted out of the game but whenever we are dangerous or create chances he always seems to have some hand in it.

Wilshere 6 Struggled a bit today after his enforced absence. I am not troubled by this. It is nice that others take up the mantle when it is not happening for him and I think a fit Jack will be important to us for these last games.

Giroud 6.5 Scored a goal and as usual worked tirelessly but seemed a little off the pace of the game today.

Gervinho 6 After a couple of good games he was back to one of his more frustrating performances. It remains to be seen if this is just how it is with him or whether he can turn out the good performances more regularly.

SUBS

Walcott 7 Caused immediate problems to them when he came on and all 3 subs seemed to turn the game back in our favour.

Podolski 7 Scored a good one and crashed another on to the bar. You feel we have a greater goal threat when he gets in and around the opposition box.

Oxlaide-Chamberlain 7 Good direct running and made the second goal with a bit of inspiration.

Written by GoonerB

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103 Responses to A Fair Result or One We Got Away With?

  1. Fergalburger says:

    Hello, Hello, it’s is good to be back, it’s good to be back,
    Hello, Hello, it’s is good to be back, it’s good to be back,
    Hello, Hello, Hello, Hello, I’m back again, I’m back, I’m on the right track,
    And did you miss me, Yeah, while I was away, did you hang my picture on your wall,
    Did you miss me, Yeah, every single day, although you couldn’t kiss me at all,
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  2. Mayor of the Woolwich says:

    FIRST!

  3. chas says:

    Nice one, GoonerB.

    No-one seems to have pointed out that the Norwich defender was masking Giroud from the referee’s perspective therefore he would have struggled to see the Norwich players hand grasping Oggie’s shirt. Much easier for the lino to see, even if he was 750 yards away.

    A clearer penalty you couldn’t wish to see. :)

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    How about this challenge from Turner on Oggie in the first half.
    Two falls and a submission. :)

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  4. chas says:

    FIRSTY

  5. chas says:

    Ooops, I wonder why it allows one link and not the other two as they’re all from the same page.

  6. Mayor of the Woolwich says:

    Fergalburger, you beat me to it? Second then!

  7. Mayor of the Woolwich says:

    Some conspiracy against us here? Well, who cares? We’re the team that’s been mostly badly treated by the officials, and just because a linesman refuses to be bought in, they all are wailing?
    Well, their loss and headache!

    Ooh to be a Gunner!

  8. Mayor of the Woolwich says:

    And, I feel the same with the RAMBO!
    Does that kid get tired at all?
    I love him absolutely, and, good to know all monkeys are now off his back!
    A genuine MOTM!

  9. Fergalburger says:

    CHAS
    Absolutely.

    That d#ckhead Tony Gale says the referee was better positioned than the linesman, as the former was 10 yards away and the latter much further away.
    The referee was looking at Giroud’s back. Giroud’s shirt was tugged from the front, so unless the ref has X-Ray vision he couldn’t make a definite decision. The linesman was able to see from his own position. The linesman’s proper job description nowadays of course is “referee’s assistant’, which of course is politically correct as we now have a bird linesman in the business.
    And he assisted the ref as required regarding the tug.

    Gale asks “how could the linesman see that clearly from such a distance?”
    From the touchline to (approx) the penalty spot?
    What a ridiculous thing to say. I think on a clear day Mister Magoo could see that far…

  10. JamesOfSouthWales says:

    Lets put it to contexts which the commentators and pundits couldn’t:

    1. Arsenal dominated, whichever way you look at it whether it be possession, chances on/off target, corners and quality. We were the better team and deserved to win. The amount of praise lauded on teams who park the bus and luckily scrap a win with statements like they deserved the victory and the other team couldnt score so they deserved to lose is exactly why the quality of the international level in Britain is so poor.

    2. Norwich’s goal should never have happened, the player fell over himself for the freekick which a linesman 10 yards away failed to see it should have remained 0-0.

    3. We should have a penalty when Theo was felled in the box, again the Lino and the ref failed to make the right call, how a defender can deliberately drag or push a player to the ground without attempting to play the ball and not be penalised is rediculouse.

    4. The penalty was a penalty, by the letter of the law what happened was a foul, it happened in the box so it’s a penalty no matter who gave it. my mind casts back to the man city game where Kos got sent off, how everyone in the punditry world said it was a deffo pen and deserved the sending off the guy didn’t even get booked last night was his not the same thing as the Kos v citeh foul. IMO The one thing the officials got right all game.

    5. Norwich were very unluck with the 3 rd goal, Giroud fouled theo was offside. But we’ll done to the lads for playing on and Podolski show how good he really is with his cameo played superbly.

    Summary: the referees were abysmal the standard of refereeing in general in every is awful and needs to be addressed. For example The pushing and pulling in the box at corners we had an excellent example with celtic v juve. As I stated above if you grab a player or pull on someone’s shirt it’s a foul if it happens in the box it’s a penalty simple if a ref cannot make that decision he shouldn’t referee. The assistants should be given more division making powers when hy see a incident and they give a foul it’s simple give the effing foul

  11. Fergalburger says:

    CHAS
    Great pic!

    Oh, by the way…
    Restrictions: Contact your local office for ALL uses.
    EDITORIAL USE ONLY. No use with unauthorized audio, video, data, fixture lists, club/league logos or ‘live’ services. Online in-match use limited to 45 images, no video emulation. No use in betting, games or single club/league/player publications

  12. chas says:

    Rasp,
    I think you’ve given two assists to Giroud instead of one to Giroud and one to The Ox.
    I’ve sent an email with attachments

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  14. chas says:

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  15. Rasp says:

    Morning chas, oooh noooo, I had a few minutes yesterday after the game and thought I’d get the widgets updated, a long debate about the assists followed and I still got it wrong :( I’ll amend it to your figures as soon as I can

  16. Rasp says:

    Top match report GoonerB. From what I could see from my misty and oft interrupted stream, Ramsey was good for MotM but huge praise for Fab2 and that save that stopped it going 2 all – a pivotal moment for our season?

    I’ve decided I should go to every game as I am far more positive and involved than watching it on a screen :P We definitely rode our luck, but its about time we got a break and the fact that all the spud fans have now decided that god has got it in for them is an added bonus.

  17. GoonerB says:

    LOL Nitnoy and Chas

  18. chas says:

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  19. GoonerB says:

    I have only just recently looked at the tail end comments of yesterdays post and it is interesting that most of us seem to have seen things the same re MOTM, the decisions and the ever increasing ridiculous analysis of the BBC where Arsenal are concerned.

    It was good to see Peaches, Micky, Ant and Chas yesterday.

  20. Rasp says:

    Incidentally, Ramsey is not the new Romford Pele, he is the new Flamini

  21. chas says:

    Good to see you too, GoonerB (especially as you’d put a big smile on peaches’ face by agreeing to be press-ganged into writing the match report) :)

  22. pieman says:

    What I would love to know is when shirt tugging of any sort let alone in an opponent’s penalty area became acceptable? And why was that moaning canute snodgrass spoken to at least three times before gettimg booked late in the second half? Also, while I’m on my everybody’s got in for us box, why was sagna booked for hauling down snodgrass when later on snodgrasd bodychecked jack and all we got was a free kick? Didn’t watch cu*ts of day (mart excepted, of course) but caught much of game of the day and wad surprised and saddened at the level of breathtaking imbecility disguosed as commentary. The londoner commentator was by any stretch of the imagination a prize cu*t.

  23. Red Arse says:

    Rambo is much better than either of those two, Rasp. :-)

  24. Morning
    Just seen the match on MOTD this morning.
    We were lucky on the penalty due to a nice linesman,but after that we were very good.
    A mention for Ramsey he’s one for the future he’s only a kid I’ve older socks than him.
    He was a big loss to Cardiff and they did not want to sell him.
    And on the Pod y don’t Wenger play him up front with Theo and the ox behind him .
    He’s a German international roll on Everton Tuesday night it’s live on sky sports .
    Much love
    Sheep Hagger ™

  25. Red Arse says:

    Pieman, that ‘London’ commentator was Tony Gale, and ex-West Ham player, so there’s a surprise that he is anti-Arsenal.

  26. GoonerB says:

    You can add Chris Kamara on sky’s goals on Sunday to the list of idiot pundits now. He has just looked at our penalty again with mock outrage. Did he look at the whole game and the other decisions like whether they should have had a free-kick that led to their goal. Did he hell, just another pundit trying to influence the public into believing we were lucky and didn’t deserve to win against an “unlucky Norwich with their spirited typical English defensive performance”.

    James of South Wales @ 10.36 you are spot on with this way of looking at things by the “belt and braces” ex British players turned pundit. If their attitude is going to remain biased towards those teams with those types of performances over teams that try and play better technical football then England really don’t deserve anything at international level..

  27. GoonerB says:

    Chas @ 11.22, did you notice how peaches waited til I was onto my second Guiness with my resistance wilting before moving in for the kill.

  28. Red Arse says:

    Rasp,

    Interesting comment from you regarding written comments while watching the game on a dodgy stream.

    There are always two sides to a coin. You could have decided not to share your frustrations with us on AA, and that would have prevented those of us who had intermittent or even worse streams, from living the game through you and others.

    It is easy for someone, several hours later, passing judgement on comments made during the heat of emotions and the tensions of not knowing how the game would pan out.

    I find no fault with a living, breathing, hot blooded fan using extreme hyperbole to describe ‘the greatest team in all the world’ after a scratchy 1:0 win, nor the fan struggling with emotion when his team is under the cosh during the game.

    Keep on being you! That is how all fans react, to some degree or other, when watching their team — to be followed with a more rational appraisal when the blood has cooled!! :D

  29. Like a lamb to the slaughter :lol:

  30. Red Arse says:

    Hi GoonerB, :-)

    Very good match report, and it is a good summary of what went on.

    I saw Kamara’s pathetic comments just a while ago. Having said the penalty should not have been given, because every team does it (breaking the rules) and then howls that shortly afterwards Giro was involved with holding Bassong before scoring his goal, and forgetting that Bassong was still holding Giroud’s shirt when they were both in the net.

    It is not his fault. He is just an idiot. The person at fault is the clown who gave him the job!

  31. chas says:

    Rasp,
    RA has a point about not posting during a game.
    Apologies if any comment I made affected your view on any perceived negativity during the game.

    Yet again we were close to some idiots in the ground who moaned incessantly up until the equaliser. I think that’s why I was feeling a bit raw about it.
    When they moan like that, I always think they don’t deserve it when we come back in such spectacular fashion. Some of them may as well have been supporting Norwich considering the effect they have on the team and everyone around them.
    I’m fully aware that blogging and being present at the ground are two entirely separate things.

  32. Rasp says:

    Hi chas, no worries. My online comments were probably as much to do with the fact that I was having a blazing row with my son at the time :roll: The frustration of not being able to see the game was compounded by the very poor and apparently time delayed stream.

  33. GunnerN5 says:

    Good and accurate report GoonerB – it’s understandable that you were beguiled by Peaches, however she was offside by waiting until the Guinness had lowered your resistance. I think that calls for a yellow card, or at least a free pass on the next game report.

  34. Rasp says:

    Hi Redders, my first comment after the game was similar to what GN5 has said, we got the 3 points and that’s pretty much all that matters. Had we not got the 3 points, there would have been numerous issues relating to the way we approached the game to scrutinize.

    What I have learned is that Gerv is only effective on the left from where he can cut in, Theo and the Pod should start against Everton and The Ox is an excellent sub to come on in the second half.

  35. Fergalburger says:

    It’s really good to be back here on Arsenal Arsenal after such a long time. Still many of the same names posting, I see.

    This posting-whilst-watching malarky is somewhat intriguing. I don’t wish to appear rude but as regards posting whilst a game is in progress… unless one can ‘touch-type’ how can one possibly follow all the action properly.

    Personally, I devote every second of each game to watching the screen of my TV. One can miss something of great importance quite literally in the blink of an eye. Do any of you actually post from your seats in the ground on a laptop?

    If so, I find it quite extraordinary, but as I say, absolutely no offense intended.

    And I was to post FIRST today, on my first day back for simply ages. Clever me.

  36. Rasp says:

    Hi Fergalburger, nice to have your company again. I think you can equate blogging whilst watching a stream with swearing out loud when there is no-one present apart from you. It’s multidirectional but only an expression of a passing emotion :lol:

  37. GunnerN5 says:

    Chas;

    Talking about the crowd affecting the players. I think it’s a far bigger issue than people realize.

    Just how many players careers have been ruined by the boo boys or the moaners and groaners is an unknown quantity but let’s take a look at the current target of the ne’er do wells – Gervinho.

    He had a few really good games away from home where he was his usual frustrating self, running up blind alleys, hitting a brick wall, missing obvious passes, powder puff passes etc. However the away supporters were fully behind him and the team regardless of any flubs they were making. In turn this allowed Gervinho and the team to keep focused on the job at hand and not having to worry about pleasing the crowd or losing confidence by their moans and groans every time an opportunity was missed. The end result was that his, and the teams, confidence remained high and he made a few brilliant moves that resulted in two vital away wins.

    Then we return to the Emirates and within minutes the moaners and groaners are in their glory awaiting their opportunity to show their displeasure every time something went wrong. The team came out full of life and confidence and the crowd simply sapped out their energy. You could see Gervinho change as the game progressed his head went down and he stopped making those mazy runs and just got rid of the ball.

    So the crowds moaning and groaning paid it’s dividends and he was taken off with his head bowed and his confidence shot – well done to the home crowd?

  38. Rasp says:

    Here’s the difference; when you’re at a game and things are not going our way, you feel you can actually do something to help by encouraging the players. When your watching a game on a screen, it’s pure frustration because you can’t really get a feeling for the atmosphere at the ground …. very exasperating!

  39. Rasp says:

    Hi GN5, I posted my comment before I had refreshed and read yours … we’re kinda saying the same thing

  40. GunnerN5 says:

    Rasp;

    I sit at home and listen to the home crowd in total dismay, the moans and groans start with the very first misplaced pass and the silence is unbearable. It’s the time of year when the crowd has to be 100% behind the team and help to push them over the line.

    It’s got to the point where the crowd appear to feel that they are there to be entertained and will only cheer or support when they like the movie.

    Support should be unconditional – in fact if they started to be more vocal and get behind the team they may find that it’s a good movie to watch?

  41. Rasp says:

    I know what you mean GN5 but the mics at the ground don’t always reflect the multi-layered sound in the stadium. It sounds like our away fans are drowning out the home supporters whenever I watch away games on the TV. Peaches assures me that the supporters (in terms of the collective sound) were very good yesterday and the atmosphere was pretty positive. Unfortunately there will always be stupid moaners – it just so happens that they choose to sit next to chas :lol:

  42. GunnerN5 says:

    Rasp;

    I’ve heard that argument before but frankly I don’t think it holds water – why? Well it’s also possible that when you attend the games you can also be deceived by the noise in your immediate area and make the assumption that it’s stadium wide.

    On TV you get to hear the overall sound and the silence is deafening!

  43. GunnerN5 says:

    Rasp please send me a message on my thoughts for the summer postings, I would like to see what you think.

  44. Red Arse says:

    Of course you are right, GN5, moaning and groaning is counter productive in all walks of life, and more particularly when the fans’ job is to support the team, but human beings all too often do it, mostly out of frustration.

    Here’s the thing tho’, there are players who are just not good enough, or do not try hard enough, or have their own agenda.

    Fans of all clubs recognize these weak links in their line ups, and those with a certain type of personality express those views by verbally abusing the players concerned.

    Others prefer to discuss their reservations about x or y with their fellow fans and friends with a little more decorum, and of course opinions van vary widely.

    Moaning, groaning or boo-ing players or the teams, at the game, is never acceptable.

  45. GunnerN5 says:

    RA;

    I’ve attended literally hundreds of games and I never, ever, once booed, even through the worst of games/seasons and watching teams with some pretty abject players.

    Obviously there are two sides to the story but it simply cannot be disputed that the current Arsenal crowd’s overall support of our team leaves a lot lacking.

    In fact it’s so counterproductive that it has become a major part of the teams average home performances.

  46. jnyc says:

    Courageous and correct call by the linesman. Id start pod up front next match. He is rested and hungry to play. Same for walcott i think, he has something to prove again. Seems like he plays better when he is trying to make a point. This may be the talented.squad we thought we had, so lets use it. Any chance Rosicky will be fit to play?

  47. Newcastle 0 Sunderland 3.
    I missed the actual game (I was busy) but saw the goals… WOW !!
    All superb.

    Di Canio made a right show of himself leaping around punching the air. He even skidded along the ground on his knees like a goal-scoring player, and he was wearing a suit.

    Tw*t of the season so far by a mile.

    Stoke 0 Man Utd 2 latest score, 75th minute…

  48. Ian Ure Face says:

    I not sure about that Redders !…… when I have the Ladeez moaning and groaning, I feel as though I`m doing quite well, infact, I`d be disappointed if they didn`t moan and groan…..never had that problem though !. hahaha

  49. FA Cup semi
    Chelsea 1 Man City 2
    latest score, 79 mins

  50. Man City will play Wigan in the FA Cup Final.

    Chelsea will feel somewhat deflated when they visit Fulham on Wednesday, the day after we’ve played Everton.

  51. kelsey says:

    Gooner B

    A Fair Result or One We Got Away With?

    Well I would say a bit of both .

    With regards to blogging while the match is on I see no reason not to but be aware not to say something you might regret a few minutes later as we have seen so often especially this season that a game can literally change in the last few minutes or even minute.

    Just watched the cup semi and am trying to gauge how far behind these two teams we are in overall squad depth and I honestly don’t think we are that far behind,just need a couple of quality players and more consistency.

    Yaya Toure is something else most probably well deserved man of the match

  52. Big Raddy says:

    Gooner B. Fine and accurate report from a man at the match.

    Those of us who are reduced to streams see things differently and having an inground view is very welcome..

    On the negative comments discussion I would say that it is better than beating the wife or worse still throwing the remote. Our frustrations have no effect upon the players, but at the ground I agree entirely with Gn5 – negativity is counterproductive.

    Really good FAC SF. Both teams going for the win and attacking. Shame all football teams don’t go all out to attack and instead park the bus.

  53. 26may1989 says:

    Lovely match report, GoonerB, and well done to Peaches for working her magic on you!

    Having forgotten the FAC Semi was on this afternoon, I’ve just spent 45 minutes driving through swarms of City and Chelsea fans leaving Wembley. Painful.

    I absolutely agree with GN5, that the performance of our home crowd is part of the reason players of promise have sometimes laboured to do well and part of the reason why we have failed to achieve what we should have. I think we became a quiet crowd 20 years ago or more, other than at big matches, and quietness is something we need to accept. But the negativity, moaning and impatience has built in the last few years, and that pisses me off more than I can express. I sometimes sit in the North Bank Lower rather than my usual East Lower, but always have to steel myself against the incessant whining of a number of the regulars there. Chas’s comments certainly ring true. All of that said, from where I was sitting, I didn’t think the crowd was at its worst yesterday.

    Oh and the dream is over: with united’s win today, we can no longer be crowned champions this year. Am gutted! :)

  54. 26may1989 says:

    Shame to see the Arsenal Women’s team lost its first leg of the Champions’ League Semi, 0-2 at home to Wolfsburg. Here’s hoping they can turn it around in the away leg next weekend, especially since I’m taking a crowd of kids to the Final at Stamford Bridge in May. Would be great to see an Arsenal team lift a European trophy at the Bridge!

  55. 26may1989 says:

    @Kelsey

    Interesting to see that you think we’re not far off City and Chelsea. I agree with you re Chelsea, but I think City’s squad is easily the strongest squad in the division. Which is one reason I think Mancini has done embarrassingly badly this season.

    But I do agree, that if we could get a couple of top quality players in (a GK and a striker, I think), this squad could be ready to have a real go at the teams we’ve allowed to dominate the title competition in recent seasons.

  56. RockyLives says:

    Good report GoonerB – and excellent ratings.

    I managed to watch the MoTD highlights (on arsenalist.com). It was ridiculous how they made such a song and dance about the penalty decision.

    They also made a big joke about Keown giving “a neutral view” – but strangely that joke was not made when our top-four rival Moyes pitched in, or ex-Spud Lineker…

    On the plus side the highlights did (briefly) focus on an incident where Ramsey was elbowed in the face in the penalty area just before HT. I think the Norwich defender can feel lucky that Aaron is a decent bloke who didn’t collapse to the floor clutching his face, like many players would have done. Of course that incident wasn’t referred to in the studio “analysis” of the game – it was ignored along with the possible handball penalty we should have had and the possible penalty on Walcott.

    Muppets. Lineker and Hansen – the men who put the “anal” in “analysis.”

  57. Big Raddy says:

    The bile that eeks out of the MoTD crew affects how the fans at the ground see our team.

    It was tHansen who accused Theo of “not having a football brain”, t
    Lineker who have derided Gervinho, Lawrenson who tells us BFG is not only slow and unsuitable for the PL but also that he is a poor defender.

    Unfortunately, some media led “fans” at The Ems are easily influenced.

    These guys are poison and it is about time AFC made a stand. I would love to see AW go on the programme and confront them because he would make these muppets look the stupid fools they are.

  58. Big Raddy says:

    Thinking of the way the media contort the truth, I just watched a Danish news report about how England is celebrating the death of Margaret Thatcher. Film of people dancing in the streets and singing.

    Now I am in no way a Thatcherite but I cannot believe the majority of English people would rejoice at the death of an old woman. Or am I wrong?

    Apart from anything else the people “rejoicing” wouldn’t have been born when she was in power!

  59. RockyLives says:

    BR
    There have been a few “celebration” parties but the total number involved in all of them is at most a few thousand people.

    The media here have pointed out that many (most perhaps) are too young to have been aware of what was going on during her time in power. But they’re up for a party with the prospect of a bit of a riot!

  60. mickydidit89 says:

    GoonerB

    First up, apologies for calling you G8 in my “great to meet you comment”. Must have been thinking about my global role in life :-)

    Next up. Great report, thank you. I totally agree about your comment on Gerv and Ollie not following up. It was this moment that sparked my “chat” with my neighbours. Yet another groan from them aimed at Gerv who had just created a guilt edged chance for anyone who had bothered to make a run!

    It did actually learn them though :-)

    Last up. Evening all. Still feeling warm and gooey. Not entirely sure how I’m going to control myself if we win YET AGAIN tomorrow :-)

  61. mickydidit89 says:

    When I say tomorrow, I mean….

  62. mickydidit89 says:

    Thinking of my global role, I never realized quite how like Margaret Thatcher I really am. Imagine my surprise to learn that she, like me, requested that her funeral should have no fly past and that she didn’t want to lie in state.
    Spooky or what. Goodnight.

  63. Gooner In Exile says:

    Evening all late to the party I have been out enjoying Norfolks food offerings. Got to be done when the sun is shining.

    Fine report GoonerB. Agree with ratings and view on everything in game (and subsequent reports).

    Raddy rightly points out above that the media influences how most fans see things, they listen to the likes of Durham, Lineker, Hansen etc and believe it all hook line and sinker. They fail to realise that these “experts” have continuously been proven wrong by Arsene and Arsenal’s results and consistency over the seasons. As Rocky has pointed out before they have an agenda and they will not rest until it can be proven right.

    The current myths/media falsehoods and truths about our club are as follows:
    Can’t defend – best away defence in league
    Highest ticket prices – Also some of the cheapest (and 23,500 of them at that)
    Don’t invest in players – Ox, Ramsey, Podolski, Santi would suggest otherwise
    BFG is shit – He is our best defender

    Some of the other crap we have to contend with as a result of the way they present their opinion…. Martin O’Neill is a track suit manager who works with his players every day on defence etc etc which has led to many Arsenal fans seeing him as a possible leader of our club, this is mainly because he turns up for work on Saturday in a track suit. However on his departure from Sunderland we hear several reports that he was hardly ever on the training ground with the players, probably instead thinking he was some SAF type surveying everything from his office window.

  64. Gooner In Exile says:

    As for people out celebrating Thatchers death, most of them are too young to have been robbed of their milk or had a pit close on them etc, but most of them never bought a Leyland car brand new that when you got home the window fell out of.

    Anyway the real irony for me was that some were reported to be drinking champagne, and it tickled me. Anti-Thatcher and Anti-Capitalist quaff Elitist Bubbly drink :D

  65. Gooner In Exile says:

    Big Al agree on Di Canio, his celebration on the second goal was ridiculous enough but the third goal was even funnier as he was clearly hoping the scorer was running towards him to celebrate but didnt quite make it so Di Canio had to force himself into the huddles and cuddles.

    He then had the cheek to say in the post match that it was about the players and fans before being about him. If that’s the case Paolo sit and applaud and a few fist pumps next time, actions speak louder than words.

    Talking about that game Pardews reaction to the offside goal was priceless he looked like he might be on his way down the touchline to do another crowd dive when he realised that it had been given for offside. :D

    There are so many mangers I would like to see relegated this year to wipe the self satisfied grim off their faces, Pardew and Pulis being top of my list.

  66. 26may1989 says:

    Exile, it’d be a warm feeling to watch Pulis and Redknapp take their teams into relegation. Pardew is a prat, but not quite on the same level as the other two.

    Interesting factoid, about us having some of the cheapest tickets around as well as some of the dearest, I didn’t know that one.

  67. 26may1989 says:

    At least five ex Gooners scored this weekend: Nasri, van Persie, Baptista, Flamini and Stokes.

  68. Gooner In Exile says:

    26 I think in the cost of football survey there were only 7 EPL teams with a cheaper Matchday experience (admittedly that’s for the 6 Cat C games this season, but if you’re an Arsenal fan irrelevant.

    Norwich v Arsenal £50 (away fans lower tier)
    Arsenal v Norwich £25 (home and away fans lower tier)

    My brother in law who supports and goes occasionally to Norwich was open mouthed when I told him how much I pay for tickets at the expensive Emirates, when he realised his seat at Carrow Road cost as much.

    Then when you factor in that our lower tier accommodates 23000 fans and most PL grounds probably only hold 30-35000 fans if we do the math I guarantee more of our fans get in for less than £40 than many other grounds (especially London clubs).

    Redknapp and Pulis, yes I like that.

  69. Gooner in Exile says:

    26 here’s the survey http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-19842397

    The £26 quoted is rounded up from £25.50

    The most dramatic failing of most reports about Arsenal prices is the ST price. Compare with our neighbours in N17.

    Cheapest
    Arsenal £985
    Cretins £730

    Expensive
    Arsenal £1,955
    Cretins £1,845

    Now a disclaimer is at the bottom of the survey explaining that our ST includes 7 cup credits (for FA Cup and CL) (if not used will be reduced from following seasons price). The Spud ST does not include those games……but just like at ManUre the ST holder does not have a choice of whether they attend those games (or League Cup games) the price is automatically debited from their bank account.

    So adjusting our season tickets to take out the 7 cup credits the price of the ST’s are cheaper than the Spuds (in brackets adjusting Spuds prices to include 7 cup credits……hahahahahhaha like they’ll need 7 cup credits)

    Cheapest
    Arsenal £719 (£985)
    Creitns £730 (£998)

    Expensive
    Arsenal £1,428 (£1,955)
    Cretins £1,845 (£2,524)

    That’s right, Spuds ST holders pay more than fans that go to the Emirates. Who looks like a fool now? Just about every media pundit in the UK (and that idiot linesman from the City match).

  70. 26may1989 says:

    Good stuff, Exile – the stuff about the cup credits I was familiar with, but the other info is new to me, thanks for that. Also worth bearing in mind that our cup credit arrangement is pretty fair, given that it only covers CL and FAC, with LC being cheaper, non-compulsory extras. United, Chelsea, Spurs etc don’t match that.

    None of which should take away from the fact that all top level football is too expensive these days, and those prices aren’t fair to many fans who would love to attend but feel they can’t afford it.

  71. Gooner in Exile says:

    To be honest 26 its not just top level football is it?

    Some Arsenal fans complain about the locals being being priced out, but I need to know what they think would be a fair price in todays money?

    Look down that Survey at some of the other teams, cheapest ticket at Millwall £26, Brighton £28, Watford £26, Brentford £21, Leyton Orient £23, Shrewsbury Town £21, Gillingham £21, Port Vale £20 (we’re down to League Two now old Div 4 and still its only £5 cheaper than the cheapest ticket at the Emirates).

    So fans who come on here bemoaning the club for pricing out the historical/original fans need to look at the rest of football before they point the finger of blame at the club.

  72. mickydidit89 says:

    GiE,

    Very good read and very interesting stuff. Thank you.

  73. mickydidit89 says:

    I know there are all sorts of if’s and but’s about this, but talking of pricing out the locals, and I looked this up, a two bed flat above a café on The Blackstock Road was £500,000.

    Now I realize the Blackstock Rd has a cracking kebab shop and a boozer but…..

  74. Gooner In Exile says:

    :D Micky.

    When are you making an offer?

  75. Gooner In Exile says:

    By the way Micky you’re famous….

    Blink and you’ll miss you, nice tie though.

  76. Red Arse says:

    Morning Fellow Whatnots! :-)

  77. Gooner In Exile says:

    Tuesday seems so soon to have another game…..will we have a bit of rotation?

    Interesting comments from Arsene on Podolski talking about how he has been working with Podolski on Centre Forward/Striker play, suggests Arsene would like him to play up top but doesn’t necessarily think he is ready yet.

  78. Big Raddy says:

    Morning All,

    GIE excellent work. Would make a good post …. can you expand upon it?

  79. Red Arse says:

    I am surprised that GIE who is our knowledgeable price comparison guru, has not pointed out that talking nostalgically about ticket prices in the ’70s is often not based on hard facts.

    For example, a ticket bought for a ‘Fiver’ in the early 70′s is the equivalent of £70 today.
    Which means £1 in 1970 is the equivalent of £14 today.

    So Micky’s property worth £500,000 today would be worth £35K in 1970. A small car bought for £1,000 at that time would cost almost £14,000 today.

    These figures are calculated using inflation rate adjustments.

  80. Gooner In Exile says:

    RA I’ve looked before but it’s so hard to get definitive prices of attending back in the day.

    I seem to remember a Liverpool blog (when I was searching for a similar comparison) showing that cost of entry had gone from two hours work to 10 hours work. He concluded that if you applied inflation to player wages you would see precisely why that was the case with ticket prices.

  81. Gooner In Exile says:

    It’s made of deer skin Raddy :D expensive taste has DidIt

  82. mickydidit89 says:

    Please Lads, leave my personal stuff off air. Cheers.
    How’s the post in-box for the week, as I could do something. I guess that would be thurs or fri.

  83. Big Raddy says:

    Sorry Didit….. Must do better.

  84. Red Arse says:

    Randy,

    In response to an earlier comment, I think you will find that Chris Waddle was the first ex-player to say that Theo ‘does not have a football brain’. Not that it matters.

    just as well that he added the qualification ‘a football brain’ because he is clearly a very intelligent lad, and has surrounded himself, I am sure, with other professional people to help his career, and his future economic security.

    The people who tend to make the ‘MOTD’ or personal comments about others, are hardly the most intellectually gifted themselves.

  85. Gooner In Exile says:

    Micky sorry, have amended my original comment.

    RA, to be honest I do have some sympathy with te view on Theo from other pundits. However I don’t think necessarily its the lack of football brain, I think it’s his lack of using his instincts (when in possession) that can effect his play and result in over thinking and making wrong decisions. When he is at full pace and not thinking he can be breathtaking. However out of possession I believe he doesn’t have a clue, but he wouldn’t be the first right winger like that.

  86. Red Arse says:

    GIE,

    Working in reverse, and applying DCF, if a season ticket is currently costing;
    – between £750 and £1800 today; that would have cost;

    – between £54 and £130 in 1970, or,

    – between £350 and £850 in 1990.

    It does put a slightly different perspective on seat prices – then and now!

  87. Red Arse says:

    GIE, @8:34

    Agreed.

    Theo when running/dribbling instinctively is something to behold.
    But like many others, when he is stationary he often seems to choose the wrong option.

    His main strength is his pace, but he is not the most skillful or physically ‘aggressive’ but, there have been skillful players who lacked pace and did not prosper.

    Getting the balance is the thing. Bit like life really! :-)

  88. Big Raddy says:

    Great pace and a “football brain” allied to skill are rare talents. In recent times only TH14 and C.Ronaldo come to mind.

  89. Rasp says:

    Morning all, I think the ‘footballing brain’ label is an often abused collective term for spatial awareness, peripheral vision and the ability to be able to predict how the movement of the ball and other players will change in relation to your own actions. Although elements of this can be honed in training, I think you need to be lucky to have the genetic gift of this kind of insight in the first place.

  90. Big Raddy says:

    Rasp. You are seriously sharp this morning!

  91. Red Arse says:

    Hi Rasper, :-)

    I would say ‘anticipation’ in a one word nutshell.

    (that’s unlike me!!) :-)

  92. MickyDidIt89 says:

    GiE and Raddy
    Sorry didn’t mean to be short earlier
    Deer skin though?
    Burnt amber tweed with a lavender check and purple silk linin.g actually
    What the hell did you google “Didit in poncey suit giving a talk” :-)
    Anyway, off air again until tpnight
    Have a good day all.

  93. Gooner In Exile says:

    Rasp recently a University study revealed how many mathematical calculations are performed by a top footballer in elements of their play. As you say it’s all about space, anes, cause and effect. You could have saved the University a lot of money!

  94. Rasp says:

    Morning Redders, yes anticipation, but also prediction/projection

  95. Rasp says:

    Morning GiE, In another part of my life I am involved in something where the number of mirror neurons an individual possesses has a dramatic effect on their ability to learn and remember movement. I have rather too many of these little blighters. They are the cells in our brain that make us mirror a movement we are watching = ducking when a boxer throws a punch. I find it very hard to sit still when I’m watching a sport, and I must look like a nutcase to others sometimes.

  96. Gooner In Exile says:

    Sometimes?

  97. Rasp says:

    Enough of that, we have a hard hitting offering from the Rockster to start the week ……..

    ….. New post …….

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