To Goodison and Beyond.

Lovely club Everton. Good manager,  proper ground and fans, history, decent board, solid team with some much-in-demand players but ….. they would sell their grandparents to get 4th, something we spoilt Gooners have started to sneer at.

Would you be happy if Moyes took over from Mr. Wenger? I thought not.

If you were Moyes and had a chance of getting a CL spot would you sell Fellaini, Jelavic and Baines in January? No, I thought not.

Do you think, apart from Baines and Fellaini, that any Everton players would be first choice for Arsenal?

So why are they above us in the table?

Everton have won one out of their last 7 PL games, however they have yet to lose at home this season. We have a fine recent record at Goodison, something AW will be looking to continue.

The return of Theo and JW will add much to our team and hopefully give some thrust  to our attacks, something lacking at Villa. I feel for Ramsey who had a decent game on Saturday but will always be in Wilshere’s shadow.

My Team:

Mr Wenger is prone to adding an extra midfielder when we are playing away but I hope he takes the risk of attacking from the off; we have been awful in the first 20 minutes for over a month. Ox was poor last week and must do better if he is to force his way into the starting 11.

Given the power of Fellaini and Jelavic I would play TV rather than Koscielny, conversely Kos has been back to his best and we haven’t conceded in the last two games.

Today’s English Explorer: May I introduce you to George Vancouver (1757-1797) who explored and surveyed the Pacific coast of North America from Oregon all the way to Alaska. Like  many explorers of the time he had a penchant for naming things after himself – Mount Vancouver, Vancouver Island and 2 Vancouver cities (Canada and USA) plus the Vancouver Peninsula in Australia, He learned his trade on two trips with Captain Cook to Australia and Hawaii aboard the Discovery.  Vancouver died young at just 40. He is buried in Petersham, Surrey.

No facial hair. No title

Arsenal are on a 5 match unbeaten run. In order to make it 6 we shall  have to be resolute in defence. I expect the game to centre upon who wins the midfield battle, Arteta’s return to Goodison will fill him with enthusiasm and hopefully be the springboard towards a victory. Set pieces could well be the key. Scoring has not been a problem but we really have to be more accurate with our crossing – in Giroud Arsenal finally have a player who is excellent in the air, let’s use this ability and make sure there are enough runners into the box to capitalise on the knock-downs.

We can win this ……

COYRRG

written by Big Raddy

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284 Responses to To Goodison and Beyond.

  1. Fab Preview BR
    I was thinking a draw would be a good result tonight, but now Theo is back i am full of optimism.
    3 points to the good guys :-)

  2. dandan says:

    BR will read and comment on your post later, no doubt it is up to your usual standard,
    In the meantime this is from today’s Times and encapsulates much of what I have been feeling in recent weeks. No doubt I will upset some when I say this undoubted malaise has been evident at times even on this Blogg of late.

    Football is an enduring soap we love to hate
    Matthew Syed Sports Feature Writer of the Year
    Published at 12:01AM, November 28 2012
    Let’s be honest. If football was squeaky clean and uniformly virtuous, we wouldn’t have much to talk about. The back pages would be bereft, radio phone-ins would be silent and the moralists in the pubs and clubs would have nobody to berate.
    In that sense, football plays a huge service to the country by being everyone’s favourite scapegoat. Over the years, I have read solemn condemnations blaming the national sport for everything from youth delinquency to rampant commercialism. A game between two groups of 11 chaps has become a proxy for the ills of society and a convenient vehicle for a nation’s moral navel-gazing.
    In many ways, football benefits from this curious asymmetry. A recent thesis on the power of soap opera argued that long-term serial television is constructed upon plotlines that dish up controversy, intrigue and vicarious moral affront in roughly equal proportions.
    Well then, the Barclays Premier League is the EastEnders of sport, but with one crucial difference. The top flight commands viewing figures in Doha and Damascus as well as in Dagenham and Dorchester.
    Players diving, owners firing, fans jeering and radio pundits screaming: all these things spice up the sense of vaudeville. If football was reduced, like most other sports, to what happened on the field of play (such things as formation, tactics, passing and shots), its contemporary meaning would vanish. To be a football fan in the modern world is to be more than an aficionado of the game. It is, for the majority of supporters, to be a devotee of the most successful soap opera in the history of mass media.
    That is why I have always been pretty sanguine about many refereeing controversies. Was it offside, did he fall or was he pushed, should that have been a yellow card or possibly a red? These debates are intertwined with what might be called the 6-0-6 escapism of a Saturday evening, and are part and parcel of the bittersweet joy of being a supporter. We enjoy our relief when a 50-50 decision goes our way, but probably a little less than we revel in our sense of outrage when it does not.
    And we also know that none of it is particularly real. When we argue about simulation, the precise meaning of sufficient contact and the complexities of partisanship, we are conducting an investigation into our own moral intuitions, but without any lives being at stake.
    Football is not fictional in the way Albert Square is fictional. But it is not quite real life, either. A football match is a stage production, with its own internal set of rules, but with an uncertain outcome.
    Yet this all poses a rather obvious question: are there occasions when football pushes the boundaries too far? Is it possible for the football soap opera to create controversy to such an extent that it begins to threaten its own credibility? Are there times when, instead of adding fuel to a marvellous bonfire, football risks self-immolation? These questions are particularly pertinent today. The litany of shame writes itself, from Suárezgate, to Terrygate and from the Clattenburg affair to the sickening chants at White Hart Lane on Sunday afternoon.
    It is true that every football season has a period where various incidents are welded together to invite moral panic — this is also a part of the soap opera. But this time, the sheer distaste is, in my experience, unprecedented.
    Right-minded opinion is wavering. Among supporters — and not just those who have always defined themselves as football-bashers — these latest controversies do not add up to anything except contempt.
    It is said that football is a reflection of society, an assertion conventionally trotted out as mitigation rather than description, but I can’t think of any other forum where many hundreds (perhaps thousands) of people would taunt opposition fans with reminiscences about the Holocaust.
    Or where a plane crash that shattered the lives of a generation of Manchester United players is wielded as a playground slur. Or where grown-ups call each other c***s and insult each other with gestures that apparently denote bad breath? Or where a manager who wins the most coveted prize in the industry is sacked, ostensibly for incompetence. Or where someone is found guilty of racist abuse but is kept on as de facto leader by his employer. Or where traditional supporters are treated, all too often, with contempt.
    How often in recent weeks and months have you heard a friend or fellow supporter say something along the lines of: “I love the game, but I have had it up to here with the excesses”? I have heard it so often I can no longer endorse the notion that football always benefits from its flirtations with controversy. Sometimes, when a controversy is distasteful and alienating, football suffers. The game loses a sliver more goodwill. And good people are distanced farther from an otherwise great sport.
    The bubble is not about to burst anytime soon. The BBC Sports Personality of the Year nominations reveal that we have just been ravished by the greatest year in sport in living memory. Mo, Jess, Wiggo, Murray: all have given us unforgettable memories. But when I think of the most pulsating, dramatic and mind-bending moment of 2012, I am inexorably drawn to the Etihad Stadium on the afternoon of May 13. Even as a neutral, I experienced a gamut of emotions that left me struggling for breath.
    It is no wonder that the foreign rights income for the Premier League is spiralling ever-upwards. The deal for 2013-16 is likely to surge beyond £2 billion, more than £500 million above the previous deal. The Premier League product remains among the most attractive media propositions in the world, even in poor nations such as Burma, for a simple reason: it provides an unrivalled, season-long (lifelong?) narrative.
    Many controversies are part of this glorious chaos. Only a fool could deny that. And much about football has improved: as one fan reminded me yesterday, there was a time in the 1970s when many stadiums were crumbling death traps and it was not untypical to be threatened by an opposition fan after the final whistle. “We don’t want to go back to that,” he said.
    But while we should acknowledge areas of progress, we should not allow them to contextualise out of existence the many instances of regress. Many of the most recent controversies have had no redeeming aspect whatsoever. They have given us black clouds without a silver lining.
    Football’s cheerleaders will say that these are quibbles set against the continued growth of the game. But that is what people said when the Roman Empire was approaching collapse, creaking under the weight of its own contradictions.
    Football — its administrators, owners and players — should be mindful of the distaste that many right-minded people feel. It should take greater heed of its traditional fanbase. And it should realise that having a conscience is not such a terrible thing

  3. Norfolk Gooner says:

    BR,

    You forgot to mention the Vancouver shopping centre in George’s home town Kings Lynn. :-)

  4. MickyDidIt89 says:

    dandan,
    Seeing as you did not write that article, I feel quite comfortable in referring to it as a load of self-important, egotistical, twaddle and tosh.

  5. Big Raddy says:

    DD. Thanks for the article. The writer has an interesting viewpoint, much of which I agree with.

  6. GoonerB says:

    Well done Raddy, Great report. You are right Raddy I would not be happy if Moyes took over from Arsene. The question of why Everton are above us is one I think I will leave to another day. The last few days have seen much debate as to why the team has not been performing so well with many reasons put forward. Today is a day when I will just send out positive thoughts and get behind the manager and the team because a win tonight and they will not be above us anymore. I may feel differently by 10.00pm tonight, but I am hoping for a big performance tonight full of movement and running off the ball and attacking intent. A performance and win to send me to my bed with a big grin on my face and before anyone mentions it, Mrs GoonerB is not around tonight so it is only the football that can send me to sleep smiling. Oh and maybe a lottery win. Until later, COYG’s

  7. goonermichael says:

    Great post as always Raddy. I feel good about tonight. Mr Vancouver did an awful lot in such a short life.

  8. GunnerN5 says:

    This article is now four days old but that does not make it stale, the writer shows a deep understanding of Arsenal tactics.

    …………………………………………………………………………………..

    Nov 245 :17PM EST

    Predictable Arsenal lose midfield battle

    Posted by Richard Jolly

    Recent Arsenal teams are damned by comparisons with their predecessors. Arguably Arsene Wenger’s greatest side were endearingly revolutionary in their movement. As Villa halted the modern-day outfit, perhaps they were too predictable in their shape.

    Wenger’s finest front four contained Thierry Henry, a striker who drifted to the left wing; Dennis Bergkamp, the No. 10 who would wander deeper into midfield; and ostensible wide men in Robert Pires and Freddie Ljungberg who avoided the touchline to veer infield. As neither was a winger, they can’t be called inverted wingers, but Pires was a right-footed left-sided player who headed for the penalty box. Even last season, Robin van Persie called himself a nine-and-a-half; neither a No. 9 nor a No. 10, but a hybrid, who could lead the line and drop off.

    The current striker, Olivier Giroud, is more of a traditional target man: a No. 9. In his only real hint of the unusual, he actually fashioned Arsenal’s best chance in a rare moment of two players producing the unanticipated. Vacating the middle, he broke clear on the left wing and Laurent Koscielny ran the length of the pitch to get in the penalty area. As a centre-back, a position where the Gunners had a spare man against Villa’s one striker, he was unchecked.

    Flanking Giroud and in the comparison of the four players to start the game as wingers, Villa’s were much the less conventional: partly because Andreas Weimann and Gabriel Agbonlahor began on the flanks the other normally occupies but also because they are strikers by trade and spent more of the match in the middle than their Arsenal counterparts. Arsenal’s Lukas Podolski has also spent much of his career as a centre-forward but he is still more of an orthodox outside left; likewise the positionally disciplined right winger Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain.

    In short, Arsenal have got more mainstream. They ran in straight lines and arrived in areas Villa expected. So the one wild card in the attack is Gervinho, whose movement means he has a unique take on the duties of either a striker or a winger, but who is also more erratic than the trustworthy trio that started the game. At Villa Park, he came on for Podolski, who has been taken off in each of his 13 league appearances. It was an understandable swap: the conventional had not brought the breakthrough, so Wenger went for the non-conformist.

    The Ivorian did not have a huge impact. Neither, however, did too many others. It may have aided Villa’s Paul Lambert that Wenger is rarely a manager who tailors his tactics according to the opposition. Rather Arsenal’s approach varies more depending upon who is fit and at the forefront of the Frenchman’s plans.

    But in any Wenger side, given the emphasis on passing, the midfield area is pivotal. When Mikel Arteta, Jack Wilshere and Santi Cazorla are united, it can also be the strongest department of the team. With the Englishman rested and Aaron Ramsey deputising, it altered the slant of the side in two ways.

    Firstly, while Wenger’s formation is often described as 4-2-3-1, it depends upon the individuals. At the start of the season, for instance, Arteta often played behind Abou Diaby who, in turn, was behind Cazorla. At Villa Park, it was not 4-2-3-1 but 4-1-4-1. The midfield triangle often has its tip at the top, in Cazorla; on this occasion, it was Arteta alone at the base.

    It created three individual battles in midfield – Arteta against Barry Bannan, Cazorla versus Ashley Westwood and Ramsey’s clash with Karim El Ahmadi – and made Arsenal weighted towards the right. Whereas Cazorla played more centrally, Ramsey spent time in the inside-right position. In addition, right-back Carl Jenkinson attacked more than left-back Kieran Gibbs.

    That, in turn, may have been a result of a Villa tactic. Change is a constant under Lambert. Here the switches were less personnel than positional: Agbonlahor, who has often played on the left and sometimes as a second striker in the Scot’s reign, moved to the right with Weimann swapping wings. One consequence meant that Weimann was on the left and, as Christian Benteke often drifts there, Westwood aimed diagonal passes towards both. A reason why Westwood, who was excellent, exerted such an influence may be that his immediate opponent was the weakest defensively of Arsenal’s midfield trio. He was the provider when Brett Holman hit the bar and was also Villa’s most prolific passer.

    While Agbonlahor and Weimann were back in their more familiar roles in second half, the original intention seemed to be to try and exploit Podolski’s reluctance to track back and isolate Agbonlahor against Gibbs. It was an interesting idea, albeit one that did not really work.

    Where they led the way, however, was in their work ethic. Villa’s plan involved pressing Arsenal and limiting the time and space open to them. It required collective commitment and they led from the front. Weimann made the most tackles of any Villa player; Agbonlahor committed the most fouls. Neither is a Wenger winger – either old or new-style, but they played their part.

  9. Why are Everton above us?
    Maybe because unlike us they don’t usually give their opposition a one goal headstart :-)

  10. GunnerN5 says:

    Good pre-match BR.

    Many of my friends were/are Everton fans, one in particular, Ray Bowen, played for both Spurs and Liverpool. He sat next to Howard Kendall when the Everton team travelled down to London for the 1995 FA Cup final.

    Vancouver is a city that I know very well and it’s one of the most picturesque in North America, great ski resorts to the North along with wonderful outdoor activities, camping, hiking, fishing and hunting – and to make us English feel right at home it has lots of rain.

    It will be a tough match but we always seem to fare well against Everton on their patch, our EPL record is W10, T6, L4 and we’ve picked up 60% of the points and outscored them 32 to 16 . A draw would be the most likely result but a win would help to settle down some of the doubting Thomas es.

  11. chas says:

    Excellent, BR.

    The boys need to be right up for it tonight (to use some football parlance).
    It’s strange when any result ranging from 3-0, 0-3 or 3-3, wouldn’t surprise me in the least.

    The latest Poznan is worth a read (about the black bin bag march).
    http://bit.ly/Tql5yh

  12. GunnerN5 says:

    Some random stats……

    Arsenal have won only two of the last ten PL games started by Aaron Ramsey.
    * Mikel Arteta made five tackles and five interceptions v Villa on Saturday and recorded a 96% pass completion rate.
    * The Gunners have averaged 60.6% possession this season – the highest in the Premier League – but five clubs (Everton, Man City, Liverpool, Spurs and Man United) have taken more shots.

  13. goonermichael says:

    Reading one of the points of the BSM march about “safe standing” What is the point investigating it if it is a Premier league?FA rule that standing is not allowed?

  14. chas says:

    Random video time (and some impressive facial hair)

  15. Rasp says:

    Typically hursuit Movember match report Raddy :P

    Your opening paragraphs sum it up for me. In a parallel universe it would be interesting to see how much value Moyes could get out of our players – especially if we have decided they are superior to those at Everton.

    How many times have we seen the England side embarrassed by a team that is peppered with players from the lower prem clubs. If ever there was proof of the total being greater than the sum of its parts then it is in a football team.

    Sometimes the chemistry that brings a winning formula is stumbled on by accident – an injury forcing a change in personnel/emphasis etc..

    I do not agree with GiE that the route to success is by focusing on bringing through youth players before they are ready (I know that’s not exactly what he said).

    The answer (in this day and age) is to employ the best top players the club can afford and pay them the going rate and in doing so, inspire the emerging youth players to strive to achieve the same level. Obviously the manager has to blend the players into an effective, balanced unit and give them the strategies to beat their opponents.

    Back to Everton …… we can win although a draw would not be a surprising result. I cannot countenance a loss as I see this game as the point at which we have to prove we are good enough for top 4.

    The £23m for BSR could cost us £40m if we cannot get these players to function as a team.

  16. Rasp says:

    I see AW is bigging up Rosicky as the new saviour who is going to solve our problems (wonder if he’s finally given up on Diaby?) … add that to his statement on spending the sponsorship money and you could interpret his words much more succinctly …. we’re not going to sign any players of note in January ……

  17. chas says:

    It’s much better for everyone’s health if we assume we aren’t going to sign anyone in January.

    Also these quotes are hardly, ‘bigging up Rosicky as the new saviour of our problems’.

    Wenger describes the injury and treatment, points out what we knew anyway in that he is an attacking midfielder and then describes why he likes him as a footballer.

    There is no mention of him saving a team which has problems. :)

    “He had surgery on his plantaris tendon which is situated down at the Achilles and it took him some time to recover,” said Wenger. “It’s a similar injury to that of Scott Parker; they had surgery at a similar time and he’s now back.

    “He can play in the position of Santi Cazorla, he can play with Santi Cazorla as well. I love Tomas Rosicky’s game because he’s a guy who speeds up the game.

    “When the ball gets to him, he has good acceleration power. He has quick short passes, quick combinations with other players. Personally I am an admirer of his game and I want to keep him with us.”

  18. Rasp says:

    Hi chas :P

    I’ve witnessed Wenger’s subliminal messages for many years now and I completely get his style. Believe you me, the underlying message is “why should I buy any players – I have Rosicky coming back?” The message was the same at the start of the season only Diaby was the name mentioned.

    I agree it is better for our health to assume we won’t sign anyone and that is why I made my comment.

  19. Red Arse says:

    Nice post, BR, makes me impatient for tonight’s game. :-)

  20. Shard says:

    I’ve had a tiring day today, and the match will be at 1:15 AM here. I’ll be up to watch it. We need this victory and I think we’ll get it. It won’t be easy. Everton will scrap and battle for everything and they do have quality that can hurt us if we slip up. But we won’t slip up. Who’s the referee? Sadly, I have to ask that these days. Never used to care about it but over the last few years I worry about them.

    Rasp,
    The answer from Wenger was in response to someone from Czech radio. So I think another factor to be considered here is that Wenger was just giving the reporter some quotable quotes. He does that sometimes, especially with the foreign press who rarely get to ask him questions relevant to their domestic audience.

  21. Red Arse says:

    Rasp,

    Fearing the worst and being pleased when it isn’t quite so bad, is a definition of a pessimist. :D

    There may not be any new faces in January, especially if AW is only interested in top, top, top players, as he said recently.

    Now that may be perfectly true, and because top, top, top players are unlikely to be available at this time of year, and for the prices we (he) is likely to offer — it may well prove you are correct.

    Players who are cheaper and correspondingly less good quality should not be brought in! [Downing?] OMG.proving you are correct either way! :-)

  22. Rasp says:

    Thanks Shard … quotable quotes that will be quoted across the internet :roll:

    Listen, like it or not AW is in charge and he will definitely do things his way. Sometimes he says clever things and sometimes he says daft things .. but invariably I think he says them for a reason and that is not always the obvious one.

  23. Rasp says:

    Red Arse, you have just quoted one of AW’s many self contradictions … he is only interested in top top players ……errrrr he’s not prepared to pay for top top players, he prefers to develop players. Which is it?

    The ambition of our emerging players is not to aspire to the heights of the best in our team but to get to a point where they can get a big pay day at another club … usually after one good season.

    I completely understand the financial constraints and our position relevant to the big spenders. Our buying budget may be small but our wage bill is huge. None of this explains why West Brom are above us and playing the sort of football we used to and we are struggling to beat teams at the bottom of the table.

  24. Shard says:

    Rasp,

    I’m not sure he really plans his responses in the way you suggest. Not on issues like this. He wasn’t bigging up Rosicky on his own, and didn’t bring him up when asked about transfers either. I think transfers are the only subject he’s completely unreliable on, and that’s how it should be. Anyway, it is always safe to assume there won’t be players coming in, because sometimes things don’t work out even if the club tries to get the player. We’ll just have to see. I still think we’ll be looking to sign a couple of players. Probably not ‘name’ players, but still those who can contribute positively to our season. I think Kelsey;s been saying that we might see loan signings. That is entirely possible. Especially for the midfield if Wenger feels Coquelin, Frimpong, Eisfeld etc can come good soon.

  25. Rasp says:

    Thanks Shard, that is exactly my point, he wouldn’t directly bring it up in relation to transfers, these are all markers as ammunition for a future debate that may or may not transpire.

    If I had a pound every time an honest supporter like you said “I still think he’ll sign a couple of players” I could afford to buy the players myself for the club. Similarly the “I think player X will come good argument”. We already have enough squad players so bringing in what you describe as not ‘name players’ will not improve the squad.

  26. Big Raddy says:

    Guesstimate. Chamakh + Arshavin + Bendtner + Denilson = 220k+ p.w.

    The solution seems simple from here. Not so easy when they all have contracts.

    But the clubs looking for a January fillip may be interested.

    Loans ahoy!

  27. Apparently Pepe Reina is a target for us. Interesting.

    On a similar note, does anyone think Darren Bent could be a good option if Huntelaar doesnt arrive? Similar type of player and has scored lots of goals except at the Spuds (cant blame him for not wanting to score for them!). Villa will want him off the wage bill too i imagine, espescially if hes wasting on the bench.

    Tough game tonight, but with Theo and Jack back n the side i am optimistic. I like Everton this year and they have a cracking spine in Jagielka, Baines, Fellaini and Jelavic. I also think Osman is under rated but i suppose his England call up shows people have started to notice him.

    I know i would be happy with a point if we hadnt drawn at Villa Park. Isnt it funny how a collective group of results can make individual results look worse or better than they actually are.

  28. Big Raddy says:

    SGG. I believe Bent is on a high wage but a loan would be good. Trouble is Jol signed him to Spurs where he played with Berbs and Bent.

    I see him at QPR or Fulham.

    We tried to sign Reina a couple of seasons ago, apparently offering L’pool €20m which would have made Reina the PL’s most expensive GK, but our offer was turned down

  29. GunnerN5 says:

    The manner in which AW’s comments get interpreted always amuses me. From where I sit I always take them at face value, I cannot believe that he pre-plans his responses to off the cuff questions.

    The fact is that Rosicky does speed up the game, so why try to twist his words?

    Maybe I’m just happy to be naive!

  30. Red Arse says:

    Rasp,

    Your 1:55, I am not surprised you agree with me regarding the paradox of Wengerspeak which allows him to talk about buying top, top, top players — if available — and if — they will be sold at the (low?) prices he is purportedly reputed to offer selling clubs.
    A paradox indeed.

    I did not mention ‘developing players’, so I have no idea why you were asking me; ‘which is it?’.

  31. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Cheers Pre Match King.

    if we play anywere to our capabilities, we will win this game. Lets get our forward players involved and then we should blow them away. On a good day we have too much quality for Everton and i think we will show that tonight.

    I believe this could be the start of a turn around for us. A good win tonight could be the filip we need to go on a good run and get to third spot around Christmas.

    If we can then have a good festive period you never know, we just might emerge as a dark horse for the title. I dont see why not, we have the quality, just need to prove it.

  32. Rasp says:

    Hi RA, sorry, I wasn’t asking you, it was rhetorical – I was just developing the argument

  33. GunnerN5 says:

    Some of our players are obviously less attractive to potential buyers due to their earnings, I wonder if we have offered to share their salary as an incentive to sell them?

  34. MAX says:

    January coming nearer and agian all newspaper are behind arsenal… New topic is walcott and sagna are left out of the calender.. I have dat strong feeling that theo will stay sagna mite be leving proabably in june…. About todays match win here will get us into healthy position to fight for top4.. JW and Theo are back wiill give us passing accuracy and pace… Hope we get 3 points today….

  35. MAX says:

    Bent will be good addtion to the arsenal… I dont think AW will go behind him as he will be costly..

  36. MAX says:

    Rasp 1:55 I totally agree with your comment… We devolep players and after 1 good season they leave arsenal for big big wages… Who knew nasri,cashly,BSR before they came to arsenal… They became star at arsenal and left….. But I think want to stay at arsenal if he is asking little more money i guess we should pay him he deserved it now…. He is unlike BSR,cashley for dat matter anybody who left arsebnal.. None of them wanted to stay but theo want to stay here and want to become legene arsene should make him sign new contract….

  37. Red Arse says:

    Rasp,

    As Jung said, there is no such thing as someone who is an absolute (pure) introvert, or an absolute extrovert, so I have no problem in describing myself as an introvert in an extrovert world, as posited by any number of learned people, or is that an extrovert in and introverted world.

    Well either way it helps to be realistic when listening, watching or interpreting Arsene’s utterances on Arsenal in general, and transfer matters specifically.

    GN5 is right that AW would almost certainly not have prepared answers for random and sometimes impertinent interview questions.

    Indeed, I suspect that as a highly intelligent and intrinsically private man he finds some of the questions hurled at him to be hardly worthy of a reply, or misjudges the low level of expectation of his interrogators and gives an answer much more detailed, complex and far reaching than was strictly necessary, leading to misunderstanding and apparent contradiction when reported.

  38. Lissakism says:

    We always want to reward Kos’ good display with the bench. Feel sorry for the guy.

  39. Rasp says:

    Red Arse,

    How many other managers do you hear campaigning against the idea of buying good players for their clubs …… SAF, Moyes, Mancini … try to think of one? Their job is to run the football side of the club.

    AW should make trying to amass the best players playing the best football his sole concern, but no, he feels he has involve himself in so many other matters. Gazidis is the one who you would expect to inject a note of caution about spending not Wenger. He is a control freak and that was an asset when building the club to where it is now, but he should leave the finances of the club to others to worry about and if they say there is money available he should try to use that money to create a side capable of winning things, not save it for a rainy day and the fantasy that FFP will eventually give us an advantage.

  40. Afternoon all.
    Top hole pre match big Randy as ever and you’ve made me a smidgen more optimistic(for a draw that is) than I was.

    Raspers – your second paragraph encapsulates the major flaw with giving one person, however well meaning, too much control.

    If Wenger really wants to be that involved with financial matters then he should be the FD of a blue Chip company.

    He should concentrate on getting the best squad together and leave the money matters to Ivan and ACTUAL financve people at the club, but he shouldn’t be hoping that FFP will work so that our policy will be vindicated.

  41. Shard says:

    Rasp,
    Fantasy the FFP may be, but all Arsenal fans (and indeed fans of other traditionally big clubs) better hope that FFP works. There is no way Arsenal can ever compete with clubs like ManCity, Chelsea, PSG. and eventually even Anzhi (and whichever copycat clubs come next) if there is no FFP. Do you think Milan selling Ibrahimovic and Thiago Silva to PSG is a one off? It’s the same thing that has happened to Arsenal and without Milan having to build a new stadium. That is actually why the FFP might work. Eventually, ManU, Milan, Juve, Bayern and even the two Spanish giants, will be left unable to compete with oligarch/state backed clubs, and that is the reason they must back it. Self preservation. Since ManCity was taken over, they’ve spent an average of 117m pounds more than Arsenal in transfers and wages per year. There is no way to bridge that gap unless their spending is controlled.

  42. Red Arse says:

    Rasper,

    AW is a very unusual man and manager. I would be less than honest if I did not agree with much of what you say.

    Trying to project myself into his managerial shoes, I would most certainly take the view that my job as a manager, as stated in my job description, duties and responsibilities (what dat? :D ) would be to do everything in my power to win trophies, and to do that I would want my employers to do their job too, and provide me with the wherewithal to get the very best players possible to enable me to achieve that.

    Arsene, as you have pointed out, is unique among managers in that he wants, and expects, to macro-manage the club, because he sees his overall responsibilities also include all areas of club management.

    As a result he polices himself and subjugates his football management and desires to what he perceives as being in the best overall interests of the club.

    It is something that is colloquially known as ‘management creep’ in which a talented and responsible person thinks he has to do the jobs of everyone else, even if it is contrary to his own personal interests.

    Of course, I should state my usual disclaimer — that could be a whole lot of bollix!! :D

  43. Rasp says:

    Hi Shard, FFP may impinge on the activities of smaller clubs, but the big clubs have already proved that they can buy their way around the rules and they will continue to do so.

    Far from providing a level playing field it just hands more power to the super rich clubs who wouldn’t be thrown out of any competitions even if they were found guilty of flouting FFP. I believe 3 or 4 minor clubs have already been excluded from some european competitons … surprisingly Man City are in line to qualify for FFP.

  44. Rasp says:

    Thanks RA … but is that a good thing? :)

  45. chas says:

    “campaigning against the idea of buying good players for their clubs”
    Hahahahaha.

  46. Rasp says:

    I could have phrased that better chas :? ….. but you know what I mean

  47. Shard says:

    Rasp,
    The clubs excluded from Europe are for not having paid their debts, not on the basis of FFP, which hasn’t come into effect yet. My point is that the rich clubs may get around UEFA, but they won’t get around the other traditional rich clubs. Clubs like ManU, Bayern, Milan etc. Those clubs need the oil rich clubs’ spending curbed too.

  48. Rasp says:

    Sorry Shard, but I can’t see any of the big clubs being penalised. They cannot discriminate on the grounds of where a club’s wealth emanates.

  49. Red Arse says:

    I have written a detailed Post on the impact of FFP, altho on another blogsite. :D

    My view, in brief, is that FFP WILL work for the simple reason that the ‘big’ clubs have twigged that these new rules will benefit them.

    The law of unintended consequences has bitten, and the inevitable consequence of FFP is to benefit Arsenal, Manure, City and the Chavs beyond reason, and the losers, indubitably, will be the smaller clubs.

    Getting to the core of my theory is this definition of ‘big’ and ‘small’ clubs. A big club is one with the highest commercial revenues and profitability. A ‘small’ club is the obverse of this.
    FFP will also restrict the future amount of ‘external’ funding the oligarchs can pump into their individual clubs, and will also restrict the way in which these non-commercial loans can be converted into equity, in the the Chavs have recently done.

    UEFA have realised they cannot turn the clock back in this respect, and have agreed to allow past distortions to stand, but any new Oligarch will not be allowed to do what Chelsea and Shitty have got away with, so far.

    The result is that the top 4 in the EPL will be able to buy players in direct proportion to their ‘turnover’, as will the others, of course, but it does not take a genius to understand that 50% of £300m (which is what Arsenal’s turnover will be soon) which can be spent on players and salaries, is always going to be more than 50% of £80m (which Everon’s will be soon). [this is not the UEFA set % but is used as an easy example].

    I digress! :D

  50. Rasp says:

    OK thanks RA, so I’m right … but for the wrong reasons :oops:

  51. Rasp says:

    … or am I wrong for the right reasons :lol:

  52. Red Arse says:

    No need to penalise clubs who are happy to benefit from UEFA’s FFP.

    Indeed, all the EPL club Chairmen are currently discussing how to implement their own mini-me FFP to govern all the EPL clubs.

    Unsurprisingly, the ‘big 4′ are leading the charge in this respect, but VERY surprisingly the ‘small’ clubs are happily going along with it , with the exception of Fulham and QPR who are trying to get together a quorum to defeat the proposal, as their owners have realised they will not be able to pump ‘private’ money into their respective clubs.

    Shard, the preliminary (interim) 3 year qualifying rules for the UEFA FFP have already started.

  53. Rasp says:

    I’d be in favour of wage capping if there were any way it could be introduced and policed – but that is a fantasy too far I guess.

  54. Red Arse says:

    Rasper, this is just a theory ———- but you know I am right!! :D :D

    With our new wealth, courtesy of the new shirt sponsorship and kit suppliers deals together with our share of the £5bn TV deal, and the CL qualifying money, (Oh yeah, that might be tricky Arsene – cheque book in Jan, please :lol: ) have all put us within kissin’ cousin range of the oily oligarchs — watch us go! :D

  55. Rasp says:

    I think you’ve been spending too much time blogging with TMHT Redders :lol:

  56. Red Arse says:

    Overall ‘wage capping’ is intrinsically part of the FFP rules, Rasp.

    The FFP ceiling for transfers and salaries has to be within the set % of turnover, by club, and altho not part of the requirements, the way that is split between the clubs players will force Arsene to weed out the ridiculous salaries paid to ‘no hopers’ [Bendy, Denilson etc] and allow more to be spent on ‘top, top, top players.

    All your wishes could come true, if you stick with me Rasper!! :D

  57. Red Arse says:

    Rasp @ 4:28, was your mouth out, sir!! :lol:

  58. Rasp says:

    What I was suggesting was a ‘no-one can earn more than £100k a week type cap’ RA. I am aware that the total spend is covered within FFP, but that won’t stop City luring away a player by offering them £200k a week.

  59. Red Arse says:

    I suspect I am getting the blog version of glazed eyes from my AA friends, as a result of my outpourings, so I am going to bugger off and give you all a break!! :D

  60. Big Raddy says:

    How will it work when MC are paying for ex-players wages, even though they are registered elsewhere? (Adebayor, Cruz etc)?

    I think it is just jobs for the boys and another shed load of money for accountants and lawyers. As with any big business the top players employ the best experts and will as always benefit.

  61. Big Raddy says:

    Rasp. I am with you on the wage cap but George Eastham and Jimmy Hill put paid to that!

  62. Shard says:

    I’ve just dug out a book written in 2003 (updated 2004) by Alex Flynn and Kevin Whitcher. It’s fascinating looking back at how Arsene Wenger was perceived then, and what the stadium move and Arsenal’s finances were like. An extract:

    (Talking about his not bringing through enough players from the academy.)
    “Wenger defended his conservative outlook – “We have Svard, Volz, Aliadiere, Garry and Bentley. Some of those players will come through. But what you have to understandis that we have world class players here. Over the last few years we have lifted the level of the academies and we have one of the best in England now. But the players who come through into our first team must be an exceptional talent………We have good young players in the academy and we have good players in the first team. It is a risk to put them in and it is a risk to let them go. They can make great impact but are they better at the moment to select in preference to players that are in the first team? That’s the question you have to answer”

    So no talk of ‘killing’ an academy prospect by getting them having someone ahead of them in the team. The perception then was largely that he doesn’t use the academy enough. What’s brought about the almost complete U-turn? Well, the academy is producing even better players now, so there’s that. But what else?

    Another extract:

    Up till now Arsene Wenger may have shown little inclination to place his faith in young blood, but the groundwork he has helped to lay must provide the input to keep Arsenal healthy whilst awaiting the move to their new home. Finances dictate that 2003-04 will inevitably see the academy forced to show its mettle, as David Dein acknowledges: ‘We have to do the best with the players we have, and hopefully bring through some of the younger talent as well. We’ll give them the opportunity and see if they’re good enough.’ And possibly save the club a few million they can ill afford to spend in the process,

    A further few points in the book on a chapter about finances at the end of the 2002-03 season.

    Overtaken by Manchester United…Arsenal slipping behind to the tune of over a million pounds each matchday….recently admitted to the G14 group of European clubs, the real elite Arsenal want to join are the seven mega clubs – ManU, Real, Barca, Juve, Milan, Inter and Bayern- with whom they are simply unable to compete in terms of existing wealth and earning potential.

    Arsenal lost nearly 10 mllion pounds in half a season despite a substantial rise in turnover producing 44 million pounds in income.

    Manu and Nike signed a 13 year 303 million pound deal, Arsenal signed 10 year 70million pound deal.
    Over 6 months, ManU’s matchday income 43million pounds..just 600,000 pounds less than Arsenal’s total turnover.

    Expectations raised and have not been fulfilled on and off the field. Champions League failures, finishing second to ManU, increasingly high prices being asked of the fans. Debatable whether customers are getting optimum value for money.

    125m pounds spent on new stadium without a brick having been laid. Before this can happen new waste transfer station must come up and existing leaseholders relocated with some refusing to budge till the law has taken its full course.

    Arsene Wenger admitted in September 2002 that the new stadium ‘will put the club in a little bit of trouble financially and we are struggling to cope with it’

    Ok I think that’s more than enough. I got carried away and I apologise. It’s just informative to look back at the scale of what we as a club have achieved, and put what Wenger has achieved into context. If he were ‘only’ a football manager and not involved in the macro management of the club, I don’t think we’d be sitting as comfortably as we are right now.

  63. Red Arse says:

    If City ‘max out’ their transfer/salary pot, Rasp, they will have to pay other acquisitions less, or let other players go.

    They could pay one or two players that sort of salary, but it would not be possible to pay everyone £200K or £300K per week.

    Anyway, by paying Peter they would have to rob Paul, because of the knock on effect elsewhere in their squad within the salary ‘pot’.

    The same applies to us, of course, as there would be no problem if we paid someone £500K per week, as long as everyone else got £10K per week. :D Possible, but unlikely, I would hazard.

    Ta ra.

  64. Rasp says:

    Haha Raddy, you’re right … there is no turning the clock back on that one. …. or is there?

    Maybe if we tried to recreate the US model and formed a new ‘Super League’ that rewarded the clubs generously (so they could reduce ticket prices hahahaha)but insisted on player wage capping? All the biggest clubs would want to be part of it and the earning power of clubs in the remaining leagues would be reduced and with it their ablity to pay silly wages.

    I agree with AW that player’s wages are completely out of control.

  65. Shard says:

    RA

    Yes the accounting period for FFP has started, but it is not yet being enforced.

  66. Rasp says:

    Shard … you’re not another blinking accountant are you? :?

  67. Shard says:

    Rasp,

    Why would you think that? No. Not even close.Accounting confuses me.

  68. VCC says:

    Chas…..If your still around, have you any streams for tonights game. My local cannot get it.

    Cheers mate.

  69. Rasp says:

    So sorry Shard … I didn’t mean to question your integrity …… I had considered changing the banner at the top to “Arsenal Accountants” we’ve been infiltrated by that many ;)

  70. VCC – I think chas put a link on the blog this morning on the last post

  71. VCC says:

    Rasp…..include me on that banner please =

    “Arsenal Accountants” + “Atrocious Ability”

  72. VCC says:

    cheers Peaches I will have a look.

  73. evonne says:

    VCC – try RojaDirecta.com, not brilliant, but I don’t expect a brilliant game anyway; you might have to install some additional app, try before the game

  74. VCC says:

    evonne….I love you too XXX. You & Peaches are my saviour.

  75. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Right, first off, thanks very much Raddy.
    By the way everyone, Raddy has conned you all, as the pic is not Vancouver. How do I know? There was never an explorer without facial hair. A globe in the background is the oldest trick in the book.

  76. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Damn I’m nervous about tonights’ game.
    Bitscores (onlinefooty) is not even appearing.
    Must try Chas’ Wiziwig.

  77. Big Raddy says:

    Two big London teams playing both Liverpool teams and Sky go with a Northern walkover – what kind of programming is that?

    And to add insult to injury neither game is on lineonlinefooty

  78. Big Raddy says:

    There will be a lot of people on wizigig tonight. Hope the stream works – usually does

  79. goonermichael says:

    They’ll always go with the dirty mancscum Raddy. Wiziwig is definitely our friend tonight

  80. goonermichael says:

    Someone brought me a fresh salmon in their suitcase from Vancouver Island once. It was fantastic baked :)

  81. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Raddy,
    I can’t even get on to the bitscores site. Kelsey reckons they sometimes add games.

  82. MickyDidIt89 says:

    How the hell did you get the case in the oven?

  83. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Just a quick comment on this afternoons chat. I really really wish Arsene would not talk about Club sponsorship money as if it was his own.

  84. goonermichael says:

    I thought it was his

  85. Red Arse says:

    Are you suggesting a very large brown envelope, Micky?

  86. Big Raddy says:

    It is said that AW earns £7.5 m a year. He has been at AFC for 15 years. Let us guess a mean of £4m

    I don’t think AW needs an envelope :-)

    Micky. I can’t get on the site either.

  87. jnyc says:

    Can i ask, has anyone downloaded this sopcast thing for wiziwig. Is there anything bad about it? We are on fox here, but i need streams for cap one cup and pre seasons.

  88. goonermichael says:

    Sopcast is fine jnyc. start dowloading the software now though as the servers are slow.

  89. chas says:

    Streams are up. No sopcast as yet. I’m not out until 7.15, if anyone was wondering. :)
    http://www.wiziwig.tv/broadcast.php?matchid=176320&part=sports

  90. GunnerN5 says:

    GoonerM;

    Two of the west coast sea food delicacies are Wild Red Salmon and Alaska King Crab. They are always on the menu in good Vancouver restaurants.

  91. chas says:
  92. chas says:
  93. chas says:
  94. chas says:

    Pod must be injured or rested completely

  95. chas says:

    ‘Sicky on the bench. Wow. The “Saviour” returns. :)

  96. goonermichael says:

    That’s a shame I would have liked Pod and Gibbs to start.. We still don’t have a striker on the bench

  97. VCC says:

    Thanks for the link Chas. Have a great evening.

  98. chas says:

    UP THE ARRRRRRRSSSSSSSSSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

  99. goonermichael says:

    Arsenal
    Starting XI to play Everton; Szczesny, Sagna, Koscielny, Mertesacker, Gibbs, Wilshere, Arteta, Ramsey, Cazorla, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Giroud.

  100. That looks like 4-4-2 to me ……………

  101. goonermichael says:

    Subs; Mannone, Jenkinson, Gibbs, Coquelin, Rosicky, Oxlade-Chamberlain, Gervinho.

    both from the official arse.com 2 gibbs and 2 oxes

  102. …………. that last comment refers to the arseblog tweet ……

    gm’s can’t be right there’s no Theo :roll:

  103. goonermichael says:

    After the match chas :)

  104. Oh I see, Oxlade Chamberlain is in the first X1 and on the bench.

    Very sensible Arsene, do you think anyone else will notice :oops:

  105. goonermichael says:

    That’s from Arsenal’s facebook peaches. it’s all over the place

  106. gm – I didn’t notice 2 Gibbs’ too :)

  107. Anyway Gibbs is on the bench – talksport just said so and Jenkinson also

  108. goonermichael says:

    There are no sopcast links on wiziwig jnyc

  109. I’ll go and find the proper team shall I? Arsene, wha’st the team for tonight?

  110. goonermichael says:

    Arsene is becoming more evil. He’s cloning our younglings

  111. Everton versus Arsenal is on my TV in Third-World Thailand, LIVE.
    In fact all tonight’s games are on several channels.:D

  112. Arsenal
    01 SZCZESNY, WOJCIECH

    03 SAGNA, BACARY

    06 KOSCIELNY, LAURENT

    04 MERTESACKER, PER

    05 VERMAELEN, THOMAS

    10 WILSHERE, JACK

    08 ARTETA, MIKEL

    16 RAMSEY, AARON

    19 CAZORLA, SANTI

    14 WALCOTT, THEO

    12 GIROUD, OLIVIER

    Substitutes

    24 MANNONE, VITO

    25 JENKINSON, CARL

    28 GIBBS, KIERAN

    22 COQUELIN, FRANCIS

    07 ROSICKY, TOMAS

    15 OXLADE-CHAMBERLAIN, ALEX

    27 GERVINHO,

  113. goonermichael says:

    I got them when I was in Vietnam Big Al. It;s the same in European countries. I should check the Irish channel just in case

  114. Still looks like a 4-4-2 to me

  115. goonermichael says:

    We don’t like that one either peaches, Could you find one with podolski in it? Messi on the bench would be nice too

  116. Well Big Al, you just walked right into offering some kind of first hand viewing report for tomorrow. Could you do some player ratings and email them to arsenalnuts@live.co.uk pretty please :)

  117. goonermichael says:

    that’ll teach ya smart ass :)

  118. Sorry gm – Podolski is probably half a mile away from me and just as frustrated as us that he can’t watch the game :(

  119. goonermichael says:

    I’ve got a stream in Afrikaans

  120. What are we going to do on the left?????? Cazorla and Vermaelen???? Pooooooooooooo

  121. VCC says:

    gm…..you could get all Premiership games live in Florida too.

  122. goonermichael says:

    He will watch the game peaches. The players always talk about watching games when they are injured. They must have a secret way of watching

  123. VCC says:

    has anyone been successful yet with streams?

    Please post if you find one chaps and chapesses. Cheers

  124. goonermichael says:

    http://cricfree.tv/live-rugby-streaming-ch4.php

    This one will show the game I think/hope. There is a message in the corner that says Arsenal

  125. VCC says:

    gm…I can find the site but cant find the Arsenal link

  126. goonermichael says:

    It’s on the arse game now

  127. goonermichael says:

    http://cricfree.tv/live-rugby-streaming-ch4.php

    isn’t that the direct link?

  128. goonermichael says:

    I’ll look for another one as it’s a bit jumpy

  129. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Come on you Gunnnners
    And….shoooooot
    Right, where’s that link?

  130. goonermichael says:

    that one is better

  131. goonermichael says:

    widescreen too

  132. goonermichael says:

    get the fuck in!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  133. goonermichael says:

    Theooooooooooooooooooooooooo

  134. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Buggered me
    Its downloading and looks like hours and seized up everything
    Have we scored yet?

  135. goonermichael says:

    Kozzer is going off

  136. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Seriously? Theo?

  137. goonermichael says:

    Theo Micky and kozzer off injured

  138. Wow , what a start!!!!!!!!!!!!

    But Kozzer off Gibbs on

  139. goonermichael says:

    1st minute

  140. goonermichael says:

    scum have scored too

  141. I can’t actually watch anything because there’s a huge box on my screen inviting me to download stuff, on nutjob, great stream but I don’t know how to clear this box :(

  142. goonermichael says:

    look for a very small x somewhere peaches

  143. oz gunner says:

    should be towards the top left hand side peaches

  144. oz gunner says:

    http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/7387/wiziwig.png

    have a look here peaches look at the x. If you cant see try reloading the page and it should appear

  145. goonermichael says:

    that dutch twat has scored too

  146. Big Raddy says:

    or try expanding the screen to full size.

  147. oz gunner says:

    that was very very poor. God i hate the big sh*t!!!

  148. Game says:

    Could have seen that coming.. Sigh.

  149. goonermichael says:

    this stream is behind, i saw the score on sky before it happened. it was coming though

  150. Game says:

    Poor from Ramsey and Sagna

  151. Big Raddy says:

    What a terrible goal to give away. Crap for 30 seconds from when Ramsey stupidly lost it, to Sagna not concentrating and TPIG watching the balll pass him.

    Awful and now we have a mountain to climb

  152. goonermichael says:

    I’m on google chrome an I just realised I don’t have the ads at all

  153. oz gunner says:

    @ Game

    sure was. Ramsey has been pick pocketed twice. The first one in a very dangerous position and then that one for the lead up to the goal.
    Like him as a player but he is frustrating at times

  154. goonermichael says:

    lol Raddy

  155. oz gunner says:

    google chrome is great with the ‘ad blocker’ extension. I prefer live on Fox in HD haha

  156. Big Raddy says:

    and the bloody stream has stopped.

    … need input

  157. oz gunner says:

    don’t even look like scoring

  158. Game says:

    Pfft Ramsey almost costing us there again

  159. Big Raddy says:

    Oz. Thanks – works fine

  160. oz gunner says:

    no worries BR glad to help

  161. goonermichael says:

    At least we’ve got huntelaar on the bench :)

  162. goonermichael says:

    It’s not looking good. If we go behind we only have Gervinho to come on

  163. Gooner In Exile says:

    Right just infromwork and just seen the goals courtesy of ESPN app nice assist by Rambo for Theo, poor poor poor between Bacary and Arteta for their equaliser.

    Hopefully find stream for 2nd half.

    How are we lining up? Theo on left, Rambo right or are we actually 4-4-2?

  164. oz gunner says:

    need to get the midfield into the game so walcott and giroud can come into it more. Id like to see gerv come on for Ramsey just to see an outlet and someone who can get to the byline and cross it for Giroud

  165. oz gunner says:

    more of a 4-4-2 this time around. 4 in the midfield yet we don’t have a hold of the game

  166. oz gunner says:

    @ GIE
    see stream above that i told BR about, seems to be working fine

  167. oz gunner says:

    well done gibbs

  168. Thanks Oz, bit too laggy with my missus continually browsing the web :(

    You lot are on update duty….only want good news ok

  169. Big Raddy says:

    Nearly an hour gone and not one decent cross into the box.

    And where is Theo playing?

  170. oz gunner says:

    chloroform and a rag GiE, thats all you need.

    Can do but you might be waiting a while because we aren’t creating anything! szcz did make a great reflex save from distin though

  171. Game says:

    Sheesh if this goes on Everton looks the more likely to score the next goal.

  172. oz gunner says:

    it’s ridiculous BR, especially with a player like Giroud in the team.

  173. goonermichael says:

    we’re boring

  174. Game says:

    I can’t even remember the last time we stringed 5 passes or more in this game.

  175. goonermichael says:

    and predictable

  176. goonermichael says:

    at last a cross and an effort.

  177. Brigham says:

    Oz, that link you provided keeps asking me for my mobile number, which is aint farking getting.

  178. Gooner8 says:

    Arsenal please take off Ramsey now don’t wait till the 80 min Moyes made two already!has Arsene gone to the loo?

  179. oz gunner says:

    come on Brigham i had to get it off you somehow!

    Not sure why i have adblock so when i was searching for it for others it looked good enough

  180. Brigham says:

    Got it up and running now thanks mate. And I want no dodgy texts from you mate. lol

  181. Brigham says:

    Liverpool have pulled one back at Spuds.

  182. oz gunner says:

    haha no promises!

    come on pool, fulham and west ham

  183. Brigham says:

    Man City just gone two up at Wigan

  184. oz gunner says:

    @ gie

    not much going on, both teams tired n losing possession easy

  185. Game says:

    What a long fall from being one of the most attractive teams to watch.

  186. oz gunner says:

    bloody hell just flicked it over and it was 0-0

  187. Bale scores an own goal…..much mirth

  188. Brigham says:

    We look ruddy hopeless up front with no idea how to creat a chance,

  189. Game says:

    Playing for a draw agan, impressive.

  190. Game says:

    Great substitution by Wenger.

  191. Brigham says:

    Dire defending and crap keeping by Chez

  192. Brigham says:

    Well, from what I have seen, we look totally clueless and our passing is downright rubbish of late. Too many times we gave the ball away and we created next to nothing.

  193. goonermichael says:

    A point at Goodison isn’t the end of the World but we really are crap.

  194. Brigham says:

    Cannot disagree with that comment GM.

  195. goonermichael says:

    and now we’re 7th

  196. Brigham says:

    To put some light on it, Stoke, yes Stoke are only two points below us!

  197. goonermichael says:

    and the mancs truly are a one man team

  198. Big Raddy says:

    Brigham. I disagree. We played a very good side tonight and we looked the better team. Apart from one stupid defensive cock up we looked secure at the back, and even that mistake was down to bad luck – the bounce of the ball off Sagna could have gone anywhere, unfortunately t went straight to Fellaini.

    True we struggled to get any fluency but Everton have a fine midfield.

    The unbeaten run continues.

  199. goonermichael says:

    or we’re closer to the bottom than the top brigham

  200. SharkeySuresGhost says:

    When I finally got on a stream it was 75 mins on the clock. Within six or 7 mins I was cursing my bad luck in finding a stream. We gave the ball away constantly. I’d not been following the comments here so had no clue just how bad we were.

    Le Coq’s last cross and the passage of play starting with a poor corner that preceded it, summed the night up for me based on the 20mins that I saw.

    Was it like that all night..??

  201. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Missed the game. No link. What was the substitution?

  202. Big Raddy says:

    & we are definitely not crap…..

    Night All.

  203. Game says:

    So is this team really better than the one we had 2 or 3 seasons ago? Judging from the games played so far, I’d say thats hard to believe. Not only did we lack any flair in attacking (something that we hardly faced in orevious seasons) defensive wise we weren’t that good too.Today, just like many other games we looked toothless in attack, and whats even more worrying is that our only goalscorer in this game has 7 months left on his contract. Every single time Everton came running at our defense, we looked shaky and our players were robbed off possesion quite a few times. Giroud didn’t get any service at all and his link up play was poor today. Once again Wenger makes a frankly quite un-Arsenal substitution, playing for a draw instead sheesh.

  204. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Coq on for who?

  205. goonermichael says:

    I think we are Raddy. Our passing is predictable and we don’t have a cutting edge.

  206. Brigham says:

    BR, sorry mate, but I disagree and we are a shade of the team we once were and I am becoming more and more concerned about the direction our football is heading.

  207. slimgingergooner says:

    Either team could’ve nicked that in the last 20 minutes but you could tell that neither team had the confidence in themselves to commit enough forward to do it.

    A draw at Goodison Park is a decent result these days with their record.

    I don’t think we are too far away but obviously a lot on here will disagree with that. Sometimes it’s just a case of choosing the right pass at the right time but we are struggling with that at the moment.

  208. Danny says:

    5 wins out of 14. Awful stuff.

  209. goonermichael says:

    Slim
    I don’t think we are that far away either. We need some players though

  210. VCC says:

    SharkeySure. 9:42. Yep. Apart from the first minute

  211. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Cheers for the answer.
    Off to find out somewhere else.

  212. Game says:

    Coq on for Cazorla, can you believe it? You’d think having your best creative player on the pitch might give you a chance to get a last minute goal, but clearly Wenger didn’t think that this team had it in them.

  213. goonermichael says:

    Cazorla Micky sorry

  214. goonermichael says:

    I thought you were being sarcastic Micky

  215. slimgingergooner says:

    People talk about rotation and players looking tired but then complain when we make substitutions. If Coquelin leaves because he doesn’t play enough people will moan that Wenger let him go. It’s a 90th minute sub that had zero impact on the game that was played.

  216. Brigham says:

    SSG, that is what Wenger does and has always done, which is why he is receiving the amount of stick he is. Clueless at times mate, utterly.

  217. goonermichael says:

    I don’t think the substitution was a bad one. We should change earlier though. We should have a decent striker on the bench too.

  218. slimgingergooner says:

    Brigham,

    What makes him clueless? Making a sub?

  219. slimgingergooner says:

    Agreed GM. We definately need to pick up a striker in the window. A GK aswell, but I think the DM and LB can wait until the summer.

    I think we were the last team to beat Everton at home back in March, and to say we are supposed to be so utterly dreadful at the moment, we still got a draw and were always in the game and capable of winning it.

  220. goonermichael says:

    If Theo goes we need 2 forwards

  221. SharkeySuresGhost says:

    I’d take the point with ten to go.

    Play that badly and get away without a loss. Ta very much

  222. slimgingergooner says:

    Behave GM! Its depressing enough already having to put up with Wengers crazy subs!
    ;)

  223. goonermichael says:

    I would have taken the point before the game to be honest.

  224. Shard says:

    It was a very frustrating performance, but that frustration came from just a few moments of passes going astray, or players being on different wavelengths. Nothing that dramatic that deserves the adjective terrible. But yes, we need a striker, and I think also a midfielder. I was frustrated by Ramsey today and was hoping for Gervinho to come on in his place 10-15 mins before it happened.. Ramsey is, however, a trier. He never gives up. You know how people say they would forgive a player his weaknesses if he just gave his all. Ramsey proves that that is nonsense.

    Sagna and Cazorla also had underwhelming games. And Giroud never really got in the game at all. Jack had a decent game without ever being spectacular. I think there were just a few moments of poor decision making in attack, and of course the stupid defensive error which meant we didn’t win. I’m frustrated but we’ll improve. We have to. Arsenal cannot play like this for long. One game at a time. Forget the other teams, our position in the table. Let’s just take it one game at a time and give it all we have. We’ll be fine if we do that.

  225. Brigham says:

    The timing, who he brings on etc. Sorry mate, but his subs are ill timed most of the time and he has a history of it. What is the point of bringing on Coq with a minute or so to go?

    Sorry mate, I am losing patience with him rapidly.

  226. goonermichael says:

    Cazorla wasn’t playing that well anyway

  227. Dear oh dear, that all sounds pretty disappointing, we need to stick together all, because I don’t think it’s going to get magically better very soon :(

  228. goonermichael says:

    I thought Ramsey was doing ok

  229. slimgingergooner says:

    Brigham,

    No need to apologise to me! You’re entitled to your opinion.

    Personally, I think Cazorla had 89 minutes to win us the game and failed, why not give Coquelin a couple of minutes at the end. If he can’t get him in the first team then he’s got to get him a run out somewhere I suppose. Although, I agree it was pretty pointless, but the other 19 managers in the league do the same thing!

  230. slimgingergooner says:

    Peaches,

    The funny thing is is that it probably will improve very quickly! People are disappointed at the moment and I think it makes little things seem like massive problems. We are not that far away from being where we need to be and we now have decent run of fixtures to get things back on track. It only takes 2 wins and things will feel 10 times better.

  231. Paddywhack says:

    Sick of watching this. Wenger will not buy in January even if Theo goes which he will. Why would Theo stay at a Club which is heading for bottom half of the table. The only good thing to come out of this is that the Board will lose their CL money, ha ha, now that is funny!

  232. Rasp says:

    Evening all, would anyone care to pen a few words on any aspect of the game or related subject for tomorrow’s post?

  233. Brigham says:

    SSG, that is exactly my point regarding subs. Wenger IMHO, really has no very little idea how to change a game around. He is fine when all is hunky dory, but very rarely does he change our tactics or team to get a win from a losing or stalemate position, (I await incoming for that statement, but that is my opinion)

    In fact, how many times has he taken of an attacker and brought on a defensive player only for it to cost us at the end because the player coming on does not have time to adjust to the speed of the game and its like playing with 10 men for the last few minutes.

  234. slimgingergooner says:

    Brigham,

    I understand the point your making and actually agree that Wenger struggles to alter tactics etc he very much believes that if we play well then we will win and doesn’t give enough thought to the opposition, but I think that’s a different matter to the substitution that he made tonight in the 89th minute.

  235. Brigham says:

    Fair enough matey. Bed for me now, up early tomorrow and cannot wait to get work to have a Spud workmate all over me without doubt. :-(

  236. spanishgooner says:

    @Sharkey 9.42 . Yes,it was like that all night. We were awful – truly awful.Passing was woeful.Depressing to say the least.There are people here who have a much more positive take on it than I do but that´s not how I am any more. Tell it like it is – and it was not good tonight – nor for a while now.We played tonight like Everton used to play. They tore us open at the back time after time.We were lucky to take a point and anybody who says otherwise is delusional.What´s going on at the Arsenal????

  237. richie59er says:

    @Slim I’m with you Bro – I think we’ve got a bunch of old moaners on here. I take plenty of positives from tonight’s performance. Our general passing and movement was much better than at Villa recently, moreover we pressed better. Even counting the defection Theo took his chance well, and if “boycheck” had his angles sorted Fellaini doesn’t score. We lacked a creative spark final third I agree, but we did generate chances. A point away from home against a team above us in the table isn’t the end of the world.

  238. oz gunner says:

    well said Richie and Slim. I can understand peoples frustrations because we are an entirely different team then the one that has taken the pitch in the last two games. We’ll bounce back I’m sure of it. We definitely need a quality purchase in the transfer window because it’ll rejuvenate the whole squad, just look at how good we played once AA was brought in.

    The Walcott situation still irks me though because if he signs look at the message it sends to the manager, players, and supporters!

  239. Gooner In Exile says:

    Do we need to add more players? This team doesn’t appear to know how to play together yet, let alone adding more new faces.

    I didn’t see anything so won’t comment on game.

    On another long drive yesterday my thoughts turned to Theo. I’m not sure since Flamini whether we ever let a player go into last year of his contract….I also thought about that one more deal that Liverpool hoped to do when they released Carroll and my guess is the offer for Walcott was not good enough to sell him.

    We have three players left from the golden generation (Theo,Sagna and Vermaelen) that failed to fulfil its potential three seasons ago. Cesc was first to go and it’s been a bit of an exodus since then.

  240. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Morning GiE,
    I too missed the game, but its on Arsenal Iplayer now. Just watched the highlights. Even from those, you can see how Theo’s pace really does help. I think it would be a disaster to let him go and not replace with someone very good.
    These past two games really do highlight how much we miss Persie, a player who can single handed change a game.
    Keep Theo, and sign one very good forward and I’d say we would make top four.
    Let him go, and not replace, and top four would be far,far less likely.

  241. Gooner In Exile says:

    Micky I’m not so sure he goes in January, but he will go I’m pretty sure.

    So apart from scoring the goal his stats don’t look great from last night, not that many of the team does.

    Looking at Swansea’s stats from last night we could be in for a rough ride Saturday. But the way they have been playing could/should mean we adopt the counter attack approach..

    Any reason why Podolski didn’t even travel yesterday, maybe he will start up top Saturday.

  242. Gooner In Exile says:

    By the way it’s bad enough commenting while driving without being encouraged to watch ArsenalPlayer :)

  243. Big Raddy says:

    What I fail to understand is why people do not enjoy a good, old fashioned battling English PL game.

    OK we were not at our best but we fought hard particularly in the second half with none of our players shying away from a tackle. With Caz and Arteta closely marked it was left to Ramsey to create chances and he worked tirelessly to do so, even if he lost the ball on occasion.

    Ask yourself – who was the busier GK? Howard made 3 or 4 really good saves.

    Everton were very solid and in Fellaini had the MoM. A draw was a fair result

  244. kelsey says:

    Morning GIE/Micky

    I am not trying to be clever after the event but I have seen this coming all season after our initial few games.

    Everton are a good side yet Villa were a poor side.
    The balance of the team is wrong .It justn’t doesn’t look like the team we saw have a good run after our poor start last season and attack wise it shows how reliant w were on RVP last season.
    I wonder how much influene Bould has had. We aren’t playing fast all out atack and our defending is still very questionable.

    We are in for a fight o keep in the top form,even allowing for other teams dropping points.
    draws have to be turned into wins and I still think the squad is not strong enough.

    We still have quite a few games before january and I am not holding my breath that Rosicky will soon slot in and latest reports say Diaby is still out for at least another 3/4 weeks, and let’s face it,how long can we expect him to get a decent run without getting injured again.
    Santos is not the answer to LB and hopefully Gibbs can remain injury free.
    Le Coq, is he good enough yet to make an impact on a game.
    Eisfield should e given a chance,even in a cameo role.

    A nervy run in before the new year me thinks.

  245. kelsey says:

    Good old raddy, remaining positive :)

  246. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Raddy,
    Can’t argue with enjoying “old fashioned battling English PL game”, but I still fear the consequences for no CL football would be very serious, so we really do need to start winning more games.

  247. This made me laugh

    Kelsey, like last season it’ll be a roller coaster…..whether we can pull the rabbit out of the hat again is questionable, but lets be honest, we are not winning the league this season, and 4th is not a trophy so doesn’t matter where we come as long as we don’t go down ;)

  248. Big Raddy says:

    It is hardly a surprise that we are not as good without the best striker around.
    Would we have more points with BSR? – of course we would.

    kelsey. :-)

  249. Raddy i think for some it is very difficult to watch 90 minutes of football, there are a generation of fans (of all clubs) brought up on MotD highlights, YouTube flash reels and Sky post game “totes emosh” slow motion replays etc.

    Too many have forgotten how a game ebbs and flows, maybe for Arsenal fans its even harder, being once so dominant highlight reels could last twenty-thirty minutes. Its uncomfortable at the Emirates when the other team attack as there are fans who seem to think the opposition should never be allowed to set foot in our half, and start getting on the teams back when they do so.

  250. MickyDidIt89 says:

    GiE,
    Oh do Man Up.
    I’m am never busier than when driving. Flicking from cd to radio and back again, lighting a realxing ciggy, on the phone, checking emails, deciding whether I’m better off with my long range sign seeing glasses or without them so that I can see the screen on my phone, peeling an orange….oh, and driving :-)

  251. Big Raddy says:

    Ah that’s better. Gallows humour.

    If the expectation was that we were going to steamroller a good Everton side at Goodison then perhaps the expectations should be lowered.

    We remain unbeaten in 6.

  252. LB says:

    I think both Podolski and now Cazorla are suffering from EPL burn out.

  253. Big Raddy says:

    GIE 7.46 That is a very good point and one I have never thought through.

    Micky. Hopefully the kids have their seat belts on – no need to take any risks

  254. LB says:

    I wonder why Arteta isn’t performing as well as he did last season, who could it be that is missing.

    And the moral of the story……Be careful what you wish for. lol

  255. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Raddy,
    Never smoke in the car (or house) with children.
    Those are strictly my driving solo habits.

  256. LB says:

    Unbeaten in 6……………I didn’t realise.

    Now that will be my good thought of the day.

  257. Red Arse says:

    Good morning, and a surprisingly upbeat take on things, but then you are a well balanced bunch! :-)

    I understand that the Pod has some type of Virus and presented a sick note to teacher. :-)

  258. LB says:

    I would go one further than GIE’s comment and say there is a whole generation of Arsenal supporters who were brought up on Arsenal being totally dominant alla Henry, Pires, Bergkamp et al and cannot fathom why that is no longer the case.

  259. kelsey says:

    Swansea will be a good game. According to the commentators on the radio,their first half performance was the best seen bya nyone last night.

    We also can’t keep saying clubs park the proverbial bus when they come to our place.Swansea certainly won’t.

  260. Big Raddy says:

    LB The fact is that the side you write of is by far the best in my many years of AFC fandom. To have a side with not one but 4 or 5 real world class players managed by the best in world football was extraordinary and unlikely to be repeated in our lifetimes.

    We were privileged to see the in their pomp.

    Plus we haven’t ever played Championship Manager!

  261. kelsey says:

    But we now have 5 british players in the squad .

  262. kelsey says:

    AW:

    Overall, if I look back at the game, it was one of big physical intensity. We had a good start and after that I felt Everton came back. Their direct game was always a threat with Fellaini. We have regrets on the goal we conceded but overall, I believe that 1-1 is a fair result. It’s a good point here and it was a game of remarkable intensity. We needed to show great spirit today to get a point because they were up for it. I can only say I’m pleased with the effort we have put in [during] the game. Last week, we played [in the] Champions League [on] Wednesday night, [then] Saturday at Villa [and] today at Everton. We have to give a lot and we have some players who play on the edge and hopefully will recover for Saturday.

    on upcoming fixtures…
    At the moment, in the Premier League, we have played 14 games, eight away. We have played at [both] Liverpool [clubs] and the two Manchester [clubs] away from home. If we play well at home, we have a chance to come back.

    on Walcott…
    He was injured. He was not 100 per cent in the second half. He got a little bit injured on his ankle.

    on chances…
    We had a few good chances in the first half where we didn’t play the final ball. In the second half as well, on two or three counter attacks we really could have been a bit more clinical. But I cannot fault the spirit and the effort we put in.

    on Koscielny…
    He has a groin strain. That’s usually three weeks
    .

    on pushing on…
    That’s our job now. We [are building] a new team. We now have Jack Wilshere back. Hopefully we can go from strength to strength. We have the spirit. I feel we have some room for improvement in the final third. Overall, when you have the spirit, you have a chance. We have to show that now. We have to be consistent.

  263. Big Raddy says:

    Pretty much as I called it. BR has been brain-washed :-)

  264. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Re: absolutely nothing, other than Kesley mentioning the Swansea game, my vote for next Arsenal Manager goes to Michael Laudrup.
    Internationally respected, played under great managers including Cruyff, winner of titles at Barca and Madrid, and a great advocate of the beautiful game.
    Plus, he is not a knob like Maurinho :-)

  265. Rasp says:

    Morning all, I hope some of you who have been so upbeat this morning will be around to respond to the anticipated reaction to today’s post :?

  266. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Sounds great Rasp.
    How does Laudrup sound to you, although I know you are a Klopp man

  267. Morning all, and so we slide down the table and suffer the ignominy of having the Spuds above us with Swansea, fresh off a victory against a present top 4 club, anticipating beating a soon-to-be EX-top 4 club on Saturday.

    No matter how we try to wrap our recent results we are a poorer side this year than last and as every goal, and match won, VanJudas scores for the Old Toilet front bottoms makes a mockery of the “footballing reasons” Ivan said the Dutch coward was sold for.

    We go a goal down on Saturday and the mood, like a night out with the ManCity squad, will turn ugly.

  268. Rasp says:

    Morning Micky, Laudrup is doing a very good job at Swansea and has got a gem in Michu. We look tired and incapable of gelling our players into an effective team unit so any injection of new ideas would be a good thing for the Arsenal.

  269. Big Raddy says:

    Laudrup is a decent call -. Let’s see how he does under pressure.

    I am with Rasp – Klopp or Low

  270. Big Raddy says:

    Morning Chary.

    Did you enjoy the game?

  271. Hi Randy, I think I will be able to enjoy games more if I adjust my thinking that I now follow a mid table team and that no amount of wailing or caterwauling and complaining is going to change that.

    That’s how a nil nil bore draw against a bottom three side is more palatable.

  272. MickyDidIt89 says:

    For me, a key aspect of selecting a new manager will be his attitude to wages and money. This is the biggest single obstacle to progress at Arsenal right now..imo.

  273. Big Raddy says:

    Chary. The arrival of the billionaires has reduced our chances of winning the PL to almost nil (for the time being). Getting 3rd last season was a fantastic achievement.

    I am going to write a post on expectations (perhaps)

  274. Rasp says:

    ……..New post …….

  275. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Raddy,
    3rd was an achievement. Most definately.
    4th is what I would call a par performance given our massive wage bill.

  276. Rasp says:

    chary, we are underachieving and that is something that can be rectified. The worrying thing is that judging by his assessment of last nights game, the manager now seems resigned to the fact that we are a mid table quality side rather than thinking he can do anything about it.

  277. kelsey says:

    and of course laudrup has a got a nice full head of hair :)

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