Why City REALLY signed Na$ri

Let’s put bitterness and recrimination to one side for a moment and accept that Samir Nasri is quite a good player.

His close control is excellent, he can beat players for fun, he likes attacking the danger areas and he has an eye for goal.

On average, based on last season, he’ll provide an assist once every 10 games, which made him an important player for Arsenal.

Admittedly, not as important as Fabregas, Arshavin, Van Persie, Walcott, Rosicky and Wilshere, who all had more assists last term.

He’ll also get you a goal once every five games, based on his scoring record for Arsenal, which isn’t bad. If he starts, say, 15 games for Manchester City this season he’ll notch up a grand total of three.

He is effective out wide but, if given the greater responsibility of a central midfield role, is left badly floundering as we found out several times last year.

I would have preferred him to stay at Arsenal because he is a decent attacking option, although far from being world-class.

For some of the reasons outlined above, you can see why Man City bought the little Frenchman. They have been accused of having more graft than guile and, on his good days (which were few and far between when it really counted in the second half of last season) he has the skills to unlock an obdurate defence.

But for the money spent on him, City might well have bought any one of several talented outside forwards (Juan Mata, Gareth Bale and Franck Ribery to name but three). Instead they doggedly pursued Nasri all summer long (indeed from January, if some reports are to be believed).

In my mind it raises a question.

City have the resources to buy anyone, so why spend so much effort on a player who has been not much above average apart from one purple patch that lasted less than half a season?

They don’t really need his footballing gifts. It’s not like he’s a game changer for them (as Aguero may turn out to be).

Which brings me to my theory:

City are embarking on this season with aspirations, of course, to become champions of England. But also with a pragmatic ambition to, at the very least, stay in the Champions League with a top four finish.

If Financial Fair Play proves to have any teeth, City will need ECL income if they are to continue to compete at the top-level (and pay the stratospheric wage bill they have accrued).

So, to my mind, a crucial element in their move for Nasri was to weaken one of their rivals for the top four slots: namely, us.

I suspect the same motivation behind their acquisition of Clichy, too.

In a summer when everyone in the know in football was aware that Cesc was undoubtedly leaving Arsenal, I believe the temptation to kick us when we were down was too much for City to resist.

Mancini must feel that he has severely weakened Arsenal, and in the process gained yet another decent squad player in Nasri. Money, of course, is no object. I’m not going to criticise City for it. It’s great tactics – and Machiavelli (no, he didn’t play with Mancini at Sampdoria) would certainly approve.

The funny thing is that I think the Nasri move will backfire. He is clearly a disputatious fellow, as his arguments in the French camp and in the Arsenal dressing room give testament to.

He will bring that attitude to Eastlands, and may well leave behind a more united team at Arsenal. Certainly the spirit shown in the games against Udinese and Liverpool indicates that something positive is happening at The Arse.

However good the individuals were in our squad last season, they had collectively developed a losing mentality. The departures of Nasri, Clichy, Cesc and others have given us the chance to shake up the mood in the squad, bringing in new players not tainted by that negativity.

We won’t really miss the error-prone Clichy (top professional though he was for us) and Gervinho already looks like a more than capable replacement for Nasri – and that’s before we’ve even seen anything of Ryo and Oxo.

I may be wrong. Nasri may have a storming season for City. If he does I will not wish him well, because he has moved only for money and has shown a lack of class in his comments about his former club.

But it’s more likely City have Adebayor Mk II on their hands, and they’re welcome to him.

RockyLives

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241 Responses to Why City REALLY signed Na$ri

  1. Rasp says:

    Morning all,

    Great post Rocky and one I am in complete agreement with. I think you are correct in your assumption that city are labouring under the misguided belief that what strengthens them, weakens us

    I finally sense that ‘belief’ and ‘team spirit’ that AW has been quoting, (more in hope than anything) in the new Na$ri/Cesc depleted side.

    I would have sacrificed a bit of creative genius for some grit and ambition at the end of last season and the new look team appears to have that in abundance.

    I believe the new young players have a point to prove whereas the old young players had become entrenched.

    I’ll love Cesc forever but City can have Na$ri and the spuds are welcome to Ade – they all deserve one another.

  2. Illybongani says:

    Rocky – some very inteesting points. However I do not subscribe to the conspiracy theory that Citeh are looking to weaken us. £25m can go a long way to improving a team, especially by someone with the eye for a player as Arsene.

    You are quite right that Na$ri only had half a season of real impact for us – after Christmas he went missing. Maybe if he had reproduced his early season form he may have had the championship medal that he so desires, and that he went to Citeh for (oh and triple his pay)

  3. angelicbeardy says:

    Better off without him. Overrated player the 23 mil we got for him was good business. Now lets spend it on established talent please.

  4. Arse&Nose© says:

    Interesting point, Real Madrid used to do the same thing 10 years ago.

  5. Roy says:

    Good analogy.. wats so goog abt nasri? no one in arsenal has expressed their sadness on his departure..

  6. Paal H says:

    God article and a welcoming and new perspective on this matter!

  7. Lee says:

    Very good article Rocky. I thought you were going to take this to the gutter but you kept your head above the grating! AVB said on the weekend that Spartak Chelski were affected by the nervous energy of the fans. I think this could be said of our beloved Gunners so, as we know Wenger will not sign the players we want, this season, as fans, we need to get right behind the team. It won’t be pretty but we have to support the players….and so we don’t have another Samir situation, maybe we should all get tattoos and show hem to players who will probably leave if we don’t have them!

  8. Mike says:

    great stuff, exactly how i feel..nasri moved just for money, and fabregas, though a world class player never wanted to give his prime playing days to Arsenal, so good riddance to both of them.
    personally, being a Gunners fan for the last 33 years, am well prepared to see this team develop over the next few years. We’ll win the league when we are ready. Its much more satisfying to see a youth project like this developing, than buying a trophy for the sake of the media and some so called fans.

  9. Rasp says:

    I see some similarities in Na$ri’s play to H£eb. I was pleased when H£eb left (not Flamini and Gilberto) because I thought he was far too clever. He overcomplicated the game and slowed down our attacking moves, he was also incapable of passing the ball more than 20 yards. Na$ri’s departure may make us more direct, use the flanks more and get the ball into the danger area before the opposition have 10 men behind the ball.

  10. hedgewire says:

    Very well put, Arsenal WILL have a great season and thanks to the negative players leaving well thats a massive start.

  11. Dan Penny says:

    Wow….rubbish article!

    Yes, his goalscoring record wasn’t great….before last season. I know he tailed off towards the end when we really needed him….but i was there for the Fulham game and he was amazing. You seem to be suggesting that Walcott and Rosicky are better….what planet to you live on? We wouldn’t have been anywhere near challenging for the PL without him and if he was English, he’d have got the player of the year award…and you know it! He’s a fantastic WORLD CLASS player who left us too early. The dynamics have changed over the past 2 years….and we’re no longer able to compete….which is a shame.

    His departure has made us weaker!

  12. aj says:

    First off, I think Cesc is a fantastic footballer but I believe the tippi-tappi football that we tried to cultivate around him proved to be unproductive, either due to the demands of the EPL or due to the lack of qualities in his team-mates at Arsenal. Nasri was one who was bought in for his close ball-control (the tippi-tappi sine qua non) to support that strategy.

    Now that Cesc has gone, I think it is good that Nasri has gone too (provided we find quality replacements). We have brought in quicker, more direct players like Gervinho, Ryo and maybe Oxo, which seems more like a move back to the style of the Bergkamp, Henry, Pires era. I think we can make that style work better for us, in the long run. We are not Barcelona.

    If that pans out, we should thank Man City for giving us a shed-load of cash for a player we needed to offload, when we could have lost him for nothing in a year’s time.

  13. Double98 says:

    In the final analysis he was no Bobby Pires. 27 goals in three seasons was less than an aging pires managed in his final two.

    He’s will play out of his skin for Merc City at the beginning and then again in about three seasons should he still get picked.

    Wenger played him out of position – he was never a winger and never good enough to dislodge Fabregas in the centre – so it will be interesting to see where he fits in with the Mercs.

    I have less issue with him leaving than Fabregas. fabregas undermined our bargaining position where as Nasri allowed it to be an open autcion and we got top dollar for him.

    and hey, he used to trip up joey barton whenever he got the chance

  14. Rasp says:

    Dan Penny,

    Wow ….. rubbish comment.

    You have not been our guest on AA before so perhaps you should know that this is a friendly site where we do not slate the author of our articles but invite constructive discussion. You are welcome to disagree and make your points but show some respect.

    Rocky is one of over 40 guest authors who are bloggers like yourself and use this site to air their views in the hope they will not have to tolerate the kind of mindless abuse that is evident elsewhere.

  15. Jemal says:

    I remember when moneybuyer left arsenal he was talking many negatives about Arsenal and Henry was sure that moneybuyer will regret for leaving Arsenal.

  16. Wonderman says:

    Great post, I agree with every word, i am excited about our youngsters this season and the Gerv looks like a star in the making. Nasri has no class

  17. Red Arse says:

    Morning Rocky, :-)

    Another classic and a darned good read! It would be difficult to disagree with the main thrust (that’s one for Micky) of your article, other than shading a point of emphasis, here or there.

    Whether Nasri does well or not at Citeh is pretty immaterial to me.

    It is probably a personal thing, but once there has been a schism like this, for whatever reason, I simply have no further interest in the player or players involved, one way or the other.

    In Nasri’s case, it’s over, the future is what is important, to our team and that’s where our emotional attention should lie. :-)

  18. tommystout says:

    Fab post Rocky, i think the majority of us thought nasri going to city would be good business – he was a vanishing act in the second half of the season and rather injury prone.
    He will i’m sure be a good addition to the squad at city but that is all, this is where his development will stall.
    Scenario -
    against udinese rosicky came on at half time and changed the game – would the outcome have been the same had it been nasri who had come on.?

  19. gnarleygeorge9 says:

    Evening to u all

    Yes I tend to agree with RA here. Good read, but I don’t care about either player TBH.

    The real issue is Arsene Wenger going forward. He has 4 days to sign some quality. Arsenal squad depth won’t see out 38 PL games; plus CL; plus CC; plus FA Cup. Blimey, are we still in that many comps. Not bad for a club in crisis :lol:

  20. Red Arse says:

    Dan Perry @ 9:57,

    Your comment expressing your opinion is fine and there are always those who agree or disagree with something or other.

    The article itself was beautifully written, it was the content you appear to disagree with.

    Therefore please omit unhelpful sentences like the one you started with, it is bound to cause offence.

  21. gnarleygeorge9 says:

    Tevez would be a great buy, & would compliment a player like Gervinho.

    On the subject of the other night(morning here). I thought Carl looked more comfortable; Mozart was all about & Pingpong has the poise of a player who has played over a 100 games. I look forward to seeing O-Chamberlain debut.

  22. Red Arse says:

    Hi Gnarley, :-)

    Don’t tell me – the weather in Oz is great – it hasn’t stopped raining here for the whole summer, it feels like.

    Sydney is calling to me, I can here it now — coome baack …… now! :-)

  23. Shero says:

    Correct… you hit the nail on the head …

    Arsenal did the same… years ago…

    United tried it over the past years….

    that’s why Arsene plays it close, when it comes to buying players…..

    Barcelona have been doing it over the last 3 years…with Cesc

    and now City is doing the same…

  24. leo says:

    @Roy

    I’m gonna “Adebayor” him at Emirates.

  25. Cristian says:

    Am not a great lover of AW’s tactics but if the nosey fellow would at least listen for the first time since 6-years i really think he can silence his critics by bringing in some game-hungry youngsters that can provide the needed results rather than we fussing about ungrateful over-fed puppies in the likes of kolo adebayor & na$ri who’s stories we are aware of (Arsene wake up its been six years now & $amir You should have read the story of kolo & adebayo that would have helped your small brain in making the right choice)

  26. jlsgooner says:

    Absolutely.

  27. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Rocky,
    Thank you as always for another great read.
    I think we all know Arsenal lacked spirit last season and I firmly believe both Cesc and Nasri were the root cause. Of course they were both very talented but having eleven totally commited players is what we the fans expect.
    For me Gervinho is a superb replacement for Nasri and I also belive he brings a much needed directness to our play.
    As for Nasri at City. I cannot see him starting many games and they will have a massive dressing room problem.

  28. TotalArsenal says:

    Hi Rocky, another great post. It only took me a minute to realise it was yours :P

    Players get carried away with themselves after a while, and think they are as good as they are, purely by their own merit. Wenger finds players, polishes players, gives them confidence and lets them play in a system of football in which they flourish. Such care and loyalty is often returned by the player, but Nasri is not such a ‘man’.

    How often have we seen a player who left Arsenal being able to continue their great reputation and performance levels? I believe Nasri was clearly tapped up and made his mind up at the beginning of the year. After that, his biggest worry would have been to get seriously injured, and as a result his performances became flat and calculated. I am sure he will do ok at Citeh and not more than that,, but also happy he has left.

  29. chas says:

    haha Rocky….conspiracy theories bound.

    Love the term ‘outside forward’. Hadn’t heard it in years.

    Is this the photoshopped picture you had in readiness, Rasp?

    http://keiththegooner.footballunited.com/files/2011/01/nasri2.jpg

  30. Rasp says:

    :lol: no chas, mine was less subtle

    Arsenal Arsenal

  31. Archimedes says:

    Good point, definitely worth paying premium for destabilization. City and Chelsea main challengers to Man U. The rest to battle for fourth place with Arsenal having the longest odds in a decade to grab the final CL berth.

  32. Brian says:

    Nasri is back up for Silva two quality players in every area is what Mancini is chasing just like the model used at United.

    City have owners that are loaded but are not stupid the whole fair play rules have been covered by the £1bn campus they are going to build around their stadium in Manchester. They are building hotels, bars and casinos all with links to the club to boost revenue also tey are allowed to incur losses to enable to do this as it funds local community and services.
    so getting the hopes up of them being kicked out of Europe are slim and far in between.

    If you dont belive me go check out the fair play rules under investment for local area and club losses can be accounted for through this. One can only wonder ? with all that cash surly they can buy some of the most creative book keepers in the land.

  33. evonne says:

    Rocky – dogs, Beatles and Beethoven :) We do think alike and if I could write the above would be my post! I like it very much indeed.

    Maybe just one thing – I think Nasri is slightly more than average player, just a tad

    I mentioned it a couple of weeks ago, that it would not surprise me in the slightest if Shitty identified weakest points in opposion and targetted those with precision. Yes, I do think that Arsenal are their biggest opponent and by weakening the midfield they could have achieved their goal. Just as well AW had them sussed out

  34. chas says:

    Haha, Rasp.

    Irish posted this yesterday http://p.twimg.com/AXtzUOjCIAAxYk_.jpg

    Can administrators only post pictures inline in comments?

  35. John says:

    I always thought Citeh wanted to buy Nasri to prevent him from going to Manu, who they see as their big rival for the tittle. I’m with Double98 about Fabregas, I far more annoyed with the way he left, cost us millions.

  36. WiganGooner says:

    Good morning all!!

    Great article Rocky, you never disappoint. I’m split between camps at the moment on this one. In fact I don’t think I have ever been so camp.

    I am gutted that Nasri has gone, I wanted him to sign a new deal and commit to Arsenal. Now he hasn’t, I’m glad the little mug has gone and I hope someone steals the alloys off of his car and his house gets burgled whilst he’s away on Champions League duty.

    You just know the minute Citeh win something he will crow about how he was right to leave us for glory.

    Arrogant little shiznit.

    WG

  37. Rasp says:

    No it’s not that chas, you just have to put up an HTML code to get a pic rather than a direct link which has to be clicked on I believe.

  38. evonne says:

    Wigan – ha ha ha, shiznit; don’t know what it is, but sounds great

  39. Arselicked says:

    Agree with the post 100%, i think Citeh tried to derail our season by making the transfer protracted deliberately so that we don’t have enough time to look for replacements. Na$ri agreed in principle to extend his contract back in October, but i think that around January Citeh struck a deal with him. SAF seemed sure that a deal had already been struck.

    He was good going forward but he is poor at tackling and at off the ball movement. I wonder who he is going to replace at Citeh. I see him playing more and more as a substitute like Clichy. I also wonder if he will be able to work with egotists like Tevez, Barlotelli, Belamy and Adebayor.

  40. Big Raddy says:

    RL Another in a line of fine posts-

    I disagree. I think Nasri is a very good player and MC have made an astute signing. Alongside De Jong and Yaya he will have no defensive duties and can wander.

    Where we do agree is that it weakens AFC and strengthens MC

    And who can blame the man for going? He can earn enough in this contract to ensure his great grand children will be wealthy men. I am sure we would all have done the same.

    Are we really surprised that he takes a backhand swipe at the fans who abused him recently? This is not an educated person, it is a spoilt brat who is excellent at football. I blame the parents :-)

  41. cin says:

    developing a team?? Its a joke……….

    Still Arsenal fans are not understanding their club. This club is just only looking for profit.

    This is club is not at all concentrating any title. And we will not win anything till club changed this attitude. Means Arsenal is not going to win anything in near feature.

    And they are talking about always youth policy.
    Getting cheap and young players and selling them in big profit is Youth policy ??

    This club is really interesting now. Players can come and develop here and go for another club in better pay.

  42. chas says:

    Na$ri estimates the size of wallet he’s going to have to buy….

  43. gunnern5 says:

    Good one Rocky.

    Not sure about the weakening the opposition theory, I feel it’s more due to Mancini doubling up on each position.

    I’m of the opinion that he will not be missed as he had already gone off of the boil. When we needed him most he went AWOL, also gossip would leas us to believe that he was also a disgruntled trouble maker.

    I also feel, that in the longer term, we will be a better team – once the latest crop of players mature. It would be a nice surprise if that happened this season, but I have my doubts.

    .

  44. gunnern5 says:

    You can always tell a Spurs supporter.

    But you can`t tell them much!

  45. Brigham says:

    Good article Rocky, as always.

    I am quite glad that Na$sri has left myself as I firmly beleive he was a disruptive influence in the dressing room. A skillful player without doubt, when he wanted to be, which he plainly did not from February onwards as I think he had already felt he had done enough to attract other clubs. Just my opinion, but one I feel quite strongly about.

    Na$ri reminds me of Ady Barn Door, a petulant child who squinnys when he cannot get his own way, good riddance.

  46. chas says:

    Mankini on holiday.

  47. evonne says:

    Chas!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! that’s so gross, yuk

  48. Red Arse says:

    Chas you are very spritzey today! Go chazzer!! :-)

  49. Red Arse says:

    Rasp,

    Re your earlier question on admin.

    I have always thought you and Peaches run a terrific blog and cannot understand why that should ever change?

    With the additional input of WG to share the load it is onward and upward, and long may it be so! :-)

  50. gunnern5 says:

    This is a poll taken by the Highbury and Islington Gazzette.

    …………………………………………………………………………………

    Nasri poll

    Were Arsenal right to sell Samir Nasri to Manchester City?

    88% Yes
    12% No

    …………………………………………………………………………………

    Looks like the local neighbourhood are not the least bit upset.

  51. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Good article Rocky

    It has crossed my mind in the past that our relationship with Emirates might instigate some sort of Arab rivalry with City. Hopefuly some one with a bit more knowledge of that part of the world could shed some light on this.

    There is no question that the departure of Fab and Nasri is a kick in the teeth to our policy of creating a team from youth. It does feel that we have to start from scratch again and that is frustrating for every one. We have to put faith in the manager that he can create a higly competive team with the tools at his disposal, i for one am confident that he can.

  52. gunnern5 says:

    Make of t6his what you may,

    It’s from Skysports.com

    ……………………………………………………………………………………….

    Owen Coyle says the word ‘derisory’ does not even cover Arsenal’s offer to sign Bolton Wanderers defender Gary Cahill. Bolton have rejected a reported £7million bid for Cahill, who is in the final year of his contract at the Reebok Stadium.

  53. wenzel says:

    he left arsenal. So what. So many players leave 4 money unlike cesc and henry hleb bad busines 4 barca zlatan ac milan payd barca to buy him dont tel any 1 though.

  54. chas says:

    I’ve had a look to see if I can work out why Genk and Trabzonspor were not allowed to be drawn into our group F.

    With 3 teams in pot 4 left, Genk, Trabzonspor and Dortmund, there were three groups available, B, E and F.

    Dortmund could not be drawn into group E because Leverkusen were already there.

    If Bayern and Dortmund had been ‘paired’ so that they could not have games on the same night (as had Manyoo and Citeh or Arse and the Chavs), then Dortmund could not be drawn into a ‘red’ group i.e. A, B, C or D, because Bayern were already in group A.

    So with three teams still to be drawn, Dortmund could only go into our group, group F.

  55. chas says:

    Hi RA,
    I don’t feel very ‘spritzey’, but hey.

    Evonne,
    apologies, I was trying to get a photo to appear inline, with no success at all.

  56. pat says:

    Will we up the 7mill for Cahill u reckon? Not much time to shag about here!

  57. pat says:

    If we got Cahill and Baines might be a good start. I would have thought we should be able to shake some players out of Everton – they are in real bad financial shape!

  58. goonermichael says:

    Great post. F*ck na$ri

  59. WiganGooner says:

    @RA

    How you flatter me so :) The AA team is frightfully strong without my input, but I appreciate you mentioning my meagre assistance :) Thank you.

    @All

    How tough is our Champions league group!!!! We’ll get out of it, but there will be some good games in there.

    WG

  60. goonermichael says:

    You’re all have a long lunch

  61. evonne says:

    Chas – :)

    AW said that he doesn’t understand why Bolton get their knickers in a twist, he offered more than £6m, which is a lot of money :)

    The reason I am uncomfortable is the fact that we went into the transfer window hoping that the squad would be strengthened, ie in my case it meant all players remain and AW makes at least 2 big signings. What happened is that we lost 1 excellent, 1 good and 1 average player and bought 3 potentials, the books don’t balance, do they?

    There are 5 more days left, will he?

  62. evonne says:

    some QPR players received a card with ‘Good luck with Joey Barton wishes’ . Looks like he is going to be a welcome addition to the squad

  63. Red Arse says:

    As we are in the Friday ‘wastelands’, and no one is around, I thought you (no one?) :-) might want to try and apply some mathematics to the problem of what Cahill – or any other player – is worth.

    First I can give you an example of how this might work.

    I was taught the magic of maths, and the rewards it can bring, when I was about 6 years old. A recent TV programme reminded me of this by touching on my real life ‘reward’ by demonstrating the very same lesson many years later.

    At a school fund raising, I was put in charge of recording the guesses of parents and children, who were given the chance to win $50 plus a huge jar of sweets if they could guess the number of sweeties in the jar. The cost of each guess was 25 cents.

    Well, some, like me, spent ages studying the jar and trying to count the sweets or estimate the volume of the jar and the number of sweets in any given volume. Others just took one look and made a simple guess. I recorded all the numbers and the names of the ‘guessers’. None of us had a clue.

    Then I remembered the application of the mathematical principle of the ‘mean’ or ‘median’ method of calculating the average of any given list of numbers. Still with me? :-)

    So, to find the mean of say 4 and 6, you add the numbers together (4+6) = 10 and divide by the number in the list – in this case 2, so you arrive at (4+6)/2 =5. Easy right? If there were 3 numbers in the list you would add them together and divide by 3.
    So, (4+6+8)/3 = 6.

    What I did was to pay my 25 cents, add up all the numbers given as ‘guesses’ for the sweets in the jar. – 100, 600, 1500, 9,0000 and so on and on. I then took the amount of money collected – maybe $220 and multiplied that by 4 (remember every guess cost 25 cents, so for every dollar that represented 4 goes).

    I divided the total numbers guessed by everyone having a go, (say) 4,200,000 by the number of guesses made (220 * 4) = 880 to get an average; (4,200,000)/880 = 4773. I put my guess in at 4,800 and won!! OK I was disqualified because no one believed how I had calculated my answer and thought I had cheated, because I was involved with the recording.

    So, what we need, is someone like GIE or GN5, who collect data, to tell us the number of reported bids made by Arsenal for Cahill, (150) and then divide that number into the total value of all the bid values (17m + 5m + 10m etc) and arrive at a mean which will tellus what the true value of Cahill is. Simples!

    The only catch is that we need approximately 150 of these reported bids, to eliminate deviant trends, in order for this mathematical magic to work!!! :-) You can do it lads — we can then tell Arsene what the correct bid for Cahill should be!

    Friday wastelands? What wastelands? :-)

  64. chas says:

    You did cheat, RA, by having data available that nobody else was privy to. :)

    I’m quite interested in these deviant trends, could you expand?

  65. Red Arse says:

    Aahh! I have just read that AW and the Bolton Chairman, Gartside, have fallen out big time, because of Owen Coyle’s big mouth, and the ridicule of the reported £6m bid made by Arsene, which he denies making.

    That’s it then – no Cahill. No magic math needed. :-(

  66. TERRY MANCINI HAIR TRANSPLANT says:

    Red Arse

    Exactly the principles i was thinking of concerning Cahill.

  67. MickyDidIt89 says:

    RA,
    Have you been lunchtime drinking?
    Your system is badly flawed. Who is going to bid more than he is worth? His final worth will always be the highest bid.
    .
    Is Arsene tapping up anyone that we know?

  68. harry says:

    Rocky, the main man strikes to the heart with a powerful compelling arguement as per usual………..Good read, after Totals awesome match report, it had to be good……..God the standards are too high on here, might just retire………

    Na$ri is doing himself even less favours, he is now slagging the players indirectly, when talking about the training session: ” I knew I had made the right decision, as I look round i was surrounded by quality” ummm………Your not fit to lace Robins boots……

    He’d be better just making comments, “”like I have come for a new challenge, lets see how it goes………””

    As for the cahill farce, the press really dont help and gartside is a bit of a pillock………

    The offer was in the region of 6m with some add ons, reaching to about 10-12million in total, from what I can gather from reliable sources (ie ones that seem to be near the mark most times)

  69. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Harry,
    We have formally bid for Cahill?

  70. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Seeing as we are on the subject, did we make a bid for Jagielka or was that red top talk?

  71. chas says:

    Arseblog’s comment that Phil Gartside has a midget’s head is a bit strong.
    No offence to any Albanian, one-legged midgets out there that take offence to being compared with Phil Gartside.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/multimedia/archive/00063/gartside_63786t.jpg

  72. WiganGooner says:

    I’m not surprised AW threw his toys out. We have always been respectful to Coyle and were very respectful when discussing their work with Wilshire and how they brought on his development. The one stipulation we request during negotiations is that the negotiations are kept behind closed doors. That is all. Hardly like asking for the moon on a stick.

    Even if Gartside was disappointed by the bid, for him to tell Coyle and allow Coyle to shout his mouth off like that is unprofessional at best. Derisory or not, it is so far the only bid recorded in a long summer at Bolton, perhaps Coyle should think before he speaks. He will lose Cahill next summer on a free if he carries on.

    WG

  73. RockyLives says:

    Good day all and thanks for the comments.

    My Nasri/Citeh theory is just an ‘off the top of the head’ one and things are probably more complicated than that, but I would have thought that weakening Arsenal would at least be a satisfying by-product of the deal for Mancini. Illy mentioned that 25m quid actually strengthens us – but this late in the window that’s not a slam dunk.

    John – your point about Citeh not wanting Na$ri to go to Utd is a very valid won and undoubtedly came into their thinking.

    GM (as always) :)

    BR/Evonne – you may be right that calling Na$ri average is harsh. When he’s good he is much better than average and if he adds consistency to his game he might prove to be a top player. Not yet though.

    Brian – point well made about Citeh’s “campus” investment around the ground. I wrote a ‘rant’ post earlier this year about Citeh without doing my research properly and accused them of doing nothing for the community. I was rightly taken to task by Citeh fans. It seems the owners are being very smart about their investment.

    Micky, Tommy, aj – I agree with all of you that our style may improve without Na$ri (and Cesc). As you say Tommy, I don’t think Na$ri would have been able to change the Udinese game the way TR7 did. In fact I will go further: TR7 is a better all round player than Na$ri and just needs a consistent run in the team.

    Lee – great comment (9.52)

    Double98 – you’re the only one who made me feel (for a moment) nostalgic for our greedy Frenchman, thanks to this line: “and hey, he used to trip up joey barton whenever he got the chance.”

  74. evonne says:

    RA – my father was a maths teacher and mother an accountant. I was forbidden to enter any of those professions :( Did you read this morning’s comments about you? you have not responded, unusual…

  75. harry says:

    Red Arse, loved the maths lesson……..

    here is his true value…….

    4 (clubs) *5 (Squad No) * 25 (age) * 16 (Career Goals)* 9 (England appearances Youth and senior) * 19 (birthday) * 12 (month)

    =16,416,000million

    Current Transfer value if he had 3 year contract so due to contract end in 1 year, divide total by height 1.88m

    =£8,731,914 pounds……

    Simples………

    So lets offer them 9million and be generous about it………

  76. WiganGooner says:

    @Rocky

    Re: your comment about TR7 being a better all-rounder, I think he is much less dynamic as an attacking force than Na$ri, but shows far greater composure with the ball at his feet, better creativity and vision than Na$ri and naturally has a better defensive side to his game due to his considerable experience.

    So in summary, I agree, just thought I would flesh it out with my 2p’s worth.

    WG

  77. RockyLives says:

    Redders
    I can almost picture you by that sweetie jar (presumably a “candy jar”) with pencil in one hand, notebook in the other…

    How mean not to let you keep the prize.

  78. WiganGooner says:

    @Harry,

    Superb math’s, love it. Send it to Gartside and that bell-end Coyle.

    WG

  79. RockyLives says:

    Agree Wiggy – and thanks for your comment too! Sorry I missed you off my list of responses :)

  80. RockyLives says:

    I think we’re back to Sudoku versus Crosswords here…

    You can do all the maths you want to prove Cahill’s value, but I must refer you back to my anagram of the man:

    A Hilly Crag

    Just what we need, and proof positive that he is coming despite all this argy bargy.

  81. Red Arse says:

    You naughty boy Chas, straight into deviancy!! :-)

    That was pretty much what they said, about my cheating. Only thing was, anyone could have had access to the data, it wasn’t a secret.

    I was upset, and asked them to explain why that methodology worked, and of course they did not know. There is no applied logic for it.

    Why should taking the average of totally random guesses, from very low values (say) 100 to high values of (say) 15,000 and dividing them by the number of people or guesses possibly work?

    The truth is no one really knows why — it just does — hence my math magic comment. It is believed that the ‘random’ principle is nothing of the sort and that our rationalization of things we do not understand as being ‘random’ is because we find the ‘chaos theory’ to difficult to comprehend.
    You might recall I touched on this in a Post some months ago and was delighted by the interest and understanding of the principles by AA’ers altho’ I approached it in a lighthearted way.

    Mathematical deviance can be described in a number of ways, for example,it is referred to as a binary numeric random variable that has the value of 1 for success and 0 for failure. (not unlike the binary code used in computer languages.

    In terms of the wide variation between the lowest and the highest value guesses in the sweet guessing competition, the deviance could be described as a deviance based on a probability distribution.
    There are mathematical methods of calculating the return on deviance functions based on such probability distributions.

    No, I did not ‘cheat’ — at 6 years of age I simply applied a principle I had been taught in an ‘every day’ situation, even if I did not know why it worked. It just does! :-)

  82. RockyLives says:

    Redders
    I remember your “chaos theory” post – wasn’t it about our defending at set pieces last season?

  83. chas says:

    Haha, six years old , RA.

  84. WiganGooner says:

    @RA

    Often it is easier to suggest that someone cheated rather than credit them with an amazing feat. It is a credit to you that at 6yrs old you were and still are a far better mathematician than I :)

    I’m not a beancounter or any job based on intelligence though. I just fix computers which, despite being built from logic often defy it.

    WG

  85. Red Arse says:

    Harry, :-) Applied maths – brilliant! :-)

  86. RockyLives says:

    I see AW says he wants to buy another striker. Benzema anyone?

    Looking forward to the Utd game – Kozzer and JD are fit and Verm is “a little doubt”.

    If Verm is fit, I would love us to play him and JD at the back and put Kozzer in the DM role.

    Our MF could be Kozzer, TR7, Ramsey

    With AA, RvP and Theo up front. Not a bad team, although we’ll be thin on the bench.

  87. evonne says:

    Wigan – disagree, computers only do what they were progammed to do by humans

    RA – are you not talking to me?????????? WHY?????

  88. evonne says:

    Rocky – is Koscielny fit to play? What’s wrong with Vermalean?

  89. RockyLives says:

    Hi evonne
    According to the official website, Kozzer is fit, but Verm is “a little doubt”. They didn’t give any other details.

  90. WiganGooner says:

    Hi Evonne,

    By way of explanation; Computers, by their very hardware themselves work on a very complex series of logic gates, with an on/off function.

    Yet humans, as programmers are able to break that logic. Why? Because everyone likes to step on the dark-side and be a bit chaotic, others are just lazy :)

    WG

  91. RockyLives says:

    Another AW quote from today:

    “I will try to strengthen the squad in depth because at the moment we are a bit short number-wise but if we get two or three players in we have the quality to challenge,” said Wenger.

    “I am anxious yes because I want to do it and I try everything to do it. But I am confident as well because we have some good young players who can make a big step very quickly.”

    But the manager warned that signings were not guaranteed. “There is a chance [we could make no signings] because again we are dependent on the desire of the people who have the players to sell the players,” he said.

    Blimey – a right curate’s egg there.

    I hope the last paragraph is just part of the bargaining process aimed at potential sellers, letting them know we are not so desperate that we’ll pay anything for a player.

  92. RockyLives says:

    Wiggy
    I’m chaotic AND lazy. Can’t be good.

  93. gunnern5 says:

    Rocky;

    The Globe and Mail have a Mega Sudoku.
    It has the numbers 1 to 9 and the letters A to G.
    Same principle as the the 9 square version but it has 16 square with 16 positions.

    They have difficulty levels of 1 to 5.
    The level 5, most difficult, is on a Sunday and it’s a real mind bender.
    I guess they figure it takes a day to complete.

  94. evonne says:

    Wigan – I am a programmer, careful! :)

  95. WiganGooner says:

    @Rocky

    The Golden Child exists and it is you!!! :)

    @Evonne

    Then you know exactly what I mean :P heheh credit to you though, I couldn’t be a programmer, would do my head in. :)

    WG

  96. WiganGooner says:

    @Rocky

    I don’t know if it is me clutching at the proverbial straw, but it seems like Arsene is being more open about transfer’s than he normally is. He is saying we need 2-3 players, he says we definitely need a striker because Bendtner is leaving.

    Has he ever been this transparent? Or is it all another smoke-screen of which AW is the master architect?

    WG

  97. Red Arse says:

    Rocky,

    Now you mention it, they were mean, altho’ they thought it was funny. :-)

    We can all remember that as children it is difficult to get adults to take you seriously sometimes.
    There was actually no great skill involved, simply remembering a math lesson and adding up some numbers, and doing a bit of dividing using a calculator.

    But I deserved that candy!! :-)

    On the other hand, Harry’s method is just as good. :-)

    Micky, the highest bid is the critical factor. However, the trick is that the bid that makes the seller happy, may not be the bid that should make the purchaser happy. Negotiation is the way – but where one party breaks the confidence of the other – negotiating won’t work.

    I have defined ‘negotiate’ before but generally it is accepted to mean, ‘to reach consensual agreement between two or more parties on terms suitable to all parties involved’. if any part of that definition fails, there can be no agreement, by definition. :-)

  98. evonne says:

    Wigan – did he really say we need a striker and that NikB is leaving??

  99. RockyLives says:

    evonne
    He said he wants to bring in a striker and confirmed he expects Bendy to leave.

  100. RockyLives says:

    Chas
    Thanks for re-posting that conspiracy thing (regarding CL draw).
    I take it the explanation offered earlier today puts that one to bed…?

  101. evonne says:

    Rocky – oh no, he confirmed Nik is going :( oh no :(

  102. kelsey says:

    Hi there,

    nice post RL.
    just a quick visit between doctor,dentist and specialist.

    Anyone know the dates of our CL group stage.i think the first game is 13/14 away in germany.

  103. RockyLives says:

    micky
    are you really organising a Merseilles trip?
    There’s a chance I’ll be in London that week… and a little jaunt across the Channel doesn’t seem too much further.

  104. evonne says:

    Hi Kelsey – Micky is organising a trip for AAers to go to away games, so he knows the dates

  105. Red Arse says:

    Hi Evonne, :-)

    Sorry I have not got back to you, but I was trying to re-read earlier comments and I cannot find where you asked me anything.

    Until I stirred up the hornets nest with a bit of math, it was as quiet as a graveyard in here! :-)

    Rocky, I think AW’s comment about the possibility of being unable to buy players is perfectly understandable. Transfers are not just down to the buyer. Without the willingness of both the player and the ‘selling’ club to talk turkey, he is powerless.
    The Gartside nonsense is proof positive of that! :-(

  106. RockyLives says:

    *Marseilles

    Hi Kelsey :)

    Sept 13: Dortmund (A)
    Sept 28: Olimpiakos (H)
    Oct 19: Marseilles (A)
    Nov 1: Marseilles (H)
    Nov 23: Dortmund (H)
    Dec 6: Olimpiakos (A)

  107. evonne says:

    Red Arse – I was genuinly worried that you are not talking to me for some reason :( I asked you to confirm that I am lovely and Micky said that I am to share a room with someone in Marseill…(?) but not you, as you are marked ‘completely uncompatible’ :) It was all at 8am today

    I am so glad we didn’t fall out :)

  108. RockyLives says:

    Redders

    I would imagine the Bolton crew are falling over themselves to apologise to us right now.

    They have had a good relationship with us over the years and will undoubtedly want to take more of our young ‘uns on loan in the future, so I expect some bridge-building from their end.

    If they thought that going public would put pressure on us, I think it has seriously backfired on them.

  109. RockyLives says:

    Redders
    Did you wear glasses as a child?

  110. evonne says:

    Kelsey – 13/09 Dortmund away
    28 Sept Olympiacos home
    19 Oct Marseille away (that’s our trip)

    all on the official arsenal fixtures webpage

  111. Red Arse says:

    I will never fall out with you Evonne.

    You should not take too much notice of Micky there is no such word as ‘uncompatible’! :-)

    Unless it is a new word he has coined to mean charming, handsome and desirable, of course! In which case he is a genius – altho’ quite wrong! :-)

  112. evonne says:

    RA – ha ha ha, course!

  113. evonne says:

    RA – by the way, where is your legal friend?? Sulking again?

  114. Red Arse says:

    Rocky,

    No – and I don’t now! :-)

    Sorry if I came over as a know all – wrong impression. Just an average guy with a good memory! :-)

  115. Red Arse says:

    I don’t know Evonne.

    I tried to smoke 26 out, like I sometimes do with Total, when I want to cross swords, but he has ignored all my efforts to rile him into the open.

    Last heard he was going on holiday, or was going into purdah, and it’s about time he returned and did his bit in these trying times!! :-)

  116. Red Arse says:

    Off to finish a little iterative spreadsheet table.

    Happy now you are all out playing again – don’t like silence! :-)

  117. oz gunner says:

    @ Rocky

    great post, love a conspiracy (think the moon landing was a load of shit). If they did indeed contact him in jan then it would explain his terrible decline.

    @ Goonermichael

    haha love the one sentence responses, especially ‘F*ck Na$ri’

    @ TA

    great wrap up yesterday, thoroughly enjoyed the post and comments. Sorry for the lateness thursday was a ride off. Watching the game at 230 in the morning, starting work at 6, then uni til 830 at nite. But it was bloody worth it, loved the game, think i nearly woke up the street for the penalty save. Just what the doctor ordered. Never saw much of di natale before the 2 legs, but he is a handful. would love to see him put on a shirt for us

  118. chas says:

    Rocky,
    regarding the CL draw conspiracy, it was the only possible explanation I could come up with.

    Uefa have not replied to my query to their website. :)

  119. RockyLives says:

    Didn’t think of you as a know-all Redders – it’s just that a pair of specs would have perfectly completed my mental image of a 6-year-old RA poring over the candy jar. :)

  120. oz gunner says:

    @ RA

    great bit of math there…ya bloody ‘know all’ haha

    @ Evonne

    bet your proud of your polish boy huh? what a save! after that i don’t know who loves him more me or you!

  121. WiganGooner says:

    @Rocky

    Have you seen that transcript on the metro? Arsene is going ape-sh*t about it :D http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/football/873625-bolton-can-keep-gary-cahill-barks-arsenal-boss-arsene-wenger?

    Good old Arsene

    WG

  122. RockyLives says:

    Get in AW

    “Arsene Arsene knock him out,
    Arsene, knock him out.”

  123. WiganGooner says:

    If Arsene has any sense he should fly Frimpong up to Bolton and tell him to go kick the shiznit out of Coyle and Gartside and then hop back on the train at Horwich Parkway and be back in North London by 10pm.
    :)

    WG

  124. WiganGooner says:

    ..maybe leaving a few photo’s of the Arsenal youth team with a caption of “look what you could have had…” scattered about the scene.

    WG

  125. RockyLives says:

    …or just the word Deeench daubed on the wall in Garty’s blood…

    whoops, getting carried away now.

  126. oz gunner says:

    @WG

    while hes up there he should be instructed to take care of davies aswel

  127. WiganGooner says:

    @Oz Gunner

    That’s a thought…good thinking, I’ll get on twitter and tell Frimpong :)

    @ Rocky

    Love it #DEEEEEEEEENCH!!

    WG

  128. Big Raddy says:

    RL. Can you point me to the explanation as to how we automatically got Borussia?

    Gartside must be trying a new form of brinkmanship. He exposes AW as a cheapskate in the anticipation that AW will up his bid. Sadly for PG , it has backfired.

    One thing that everyone (without exception) knows is that Wenger is an honest man. If he says he offered more than 6m then he can prove it. Gartside and Coyle end up looking foolish and Cahill will walk away from the club for nothing next season.

    As to the “derisory” fee. It is the saem as MC paid for Clichy , who is a first choice International – more than can be said for Cahill.

    If I were AW I would walk away from the negotiation. The big money clubs are well served at CB and no-one else will be bidding for Cahiill (except perhaps Spurs)

  129. RockyLives says:

    BR
    Chas @12.26

  130. RockyLives says:

    BR
    Agree totally – we have the whip hand in any negotiation with Bolton.

  131. Big Raddy says:

    Thanks RL. Smart man that chas

  132. MickyDidIt89 says:

    BR,
    The explanation about the Dortmund thing was someothing concerning TV rights and two German sides having home games the same week.
    Whatevvverrr as my daughter would say.

  133. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Bugger. Off again.

  134. Rasp says:

    Afternoon all,

    I am somewhat suspicious of this apparent tiff over Cahill. It appears that the Wigan Chairman has got involved in some twitter situation that has led to it appearing that he has said that we only offered £6m. Unwisley Coyle (who is a good man and a possible future Arsenal manager) made his ‘derisory’ statement, and then AW reacted/over reacted.

    They have just signed a replacement on a one year loan from city so are prepared to sell him.

    I don’t think AW should have responded in any way until the deal is done because this is just creating bad blood between the clubs.

    Obviously it highlights that Cahill is for sale and so pool and the chavs may now come in for him and both will outbid us if they choose.

  135. Rasp says:

    In my view, Cahill has to be worth between 12 and 15m even though he is in the last year of his contract. I have come to this valuation taking into account what the other England internationals have gone for recently and what we paid for kozzer (whose place in the side Cahill will probably take)

  136. Alfa says:

    RA, you are talking about The Wisdom of Crowds, a great theory. You must have been a smart 6 year old. There is an extra step in it – if you track answers across lots of questions you find that some people are better than others at guessing, without ever knowing why, then you can give more weight to their answers.

    None of which will make Arsene pay more than the board will let him :(

    We were great against Udinese btw

    Alfa

  137. RockyLives says:

    Alfa
    Are you the same person who has authored on here before as Alfa Milano?

  138. VCC says:

    Rocky, fantastic post, my sentiments entirely.
    We won’t miss Clichy or Nasri.
    Fabregas is another matter though. World class footballers don’t come around at Arsenal too often. Let’s hope Jack can fill the void left by the departure of Cesc.

  139. RockyLives says:

    Rasp
    I think we might be in a better position than that regarding a possible Cahill transfer.

    If ‘Pool and Chavs haven’t considered that he might be available after three months in which barely a day has gone by without “Cahill target for XYZ” stories, then they seriously need their heads examined.

    I’m not sure any other big club are after him, and given that he can sign a pre-contract agreement with another club in January to leave on a free next summer, Bolton know they need to cash in.

    We might find that a smaller club (like the Spuds) comes in with a bid – but if we really want him I reckon we can get him.

  140. RockyLives says:

    Hello VCC :)
    I have no doubt AW had high hopes of Jack helping to fill the gap left by losing one of the best players in the world. Unfortunately Jack’s mysterious and on-going injury means Arsene really does need to get another AM in before the window closes.

  141. Rasp says:

    I agree Rocky. I am hopeful we will get him. We haven’t sold a CH so we must have known we wanted one all summer. We could really do with Cahill against manu, what a shame we didn’t tie up the deal earlier, he could have made all the difference.

  142. chas says:

    Rasp, I can’t see AW buying Cahill to replace Kozzer, hence the relatively low starting bid (regardless of add-ons).

    I agree with BR…..why should Cahill be worth so much more than Clichy in the last year of his contract?

    Having said that, I still hope we buy him.

  143. trueg00ner says:

    Apparently Bendtner was offered as part of the Cahill deal

  144. Rasp says:

    Hi chas, I believe Cahill is a better player in his position than Clichy, English players cost more and also I don’t agree that we are necessarily in the stronger bargaining position. We have 4 days to sign him and they know we have a lot of money from sales.

  145. Alfa says:

    RL yes its me, still dipping in every now and then. The site is great, lived up to our hopes

  146. Rasp says:

    Cahill will either be to replace kozzer or TV for most games. I can see the 3 being interchangeable. It is also possible that TV is becoming injury prone. It doesn’t look like I will ever get my wish to see TV or kozzer given a go at DM, which is odd when you consider we are more than happy to make strikers play on the wing.

  147. RockyLives says:

    I always like that name Alfa, sitting up there near the top of the list of authors.

    I think it’s because I’ve always like the Alfa Romeo name and brand.

    ‘Bout time you wrote another post isn’t it? :)

  148. chas says:

    Rasp, I read that Bolton have 4 defensive injuries, so the Boyata loan isn’t to cover A Hilly Crag, but because they’re short.

    AW doesn’t seem to me to care if we sign anyone else or not. Hope I’m wrong but leaving it this late implies he doesn’t see the situation as desperately as most others.

  149. chas says:

    Rasp, there seems to be talk of JD20 as DM. What do you think?

  150. Red Arse says:

    Alfa,

    Another mathematician? Welcome. :-)

    As I explained, earlier, I applied the ‘averaging’ method of arriving at an answer to the problem, in the absence of any other logical way of calculating the number of sweets/candy in the jar — which I remember lusting after, as only a 6 year old can.

    At the time I had no real idea of any underlying ‘wisdom’ in the method, simply the application of the basic math – adding and dividing to achieve an average. I cannot now remember why I thought it would work, but probably that it was a number somewhere within the lowest and highest number. :-)

    Nothing clever, I’m afraid, and it did not get me anywhere because no one believed my explanation anyway, even when I showed them how I did it.

    The application of the Wisdom of Crowds to calculate footie issues has some validity and could be amusing, :-) but I think I am pushing my luck expecting it to be adopted by AA bloggers, especially with my potted explanations! :-)

  151. chas says:

    RA,

    You said the competition was to “guess the number of sweeties in the jar”. Didn’t seem like you did much guessing! :)

    Apologies for calling you a cheat, should have been precocious mathematical genius instead.

  152. Rasp says:

    chas, I wouldn’t mind seeing JD as a DM but I think TV and kozzer would do a better job as they are more mobile.

    It’s a shame about JD, he lacks aggresssion. I’d like to see him flatten the oppo’s striker once in a while. He has the stature but doesn’t really impose himself. Jamie Carragher is considerably smaller than JD but puts himself about a lot more and gets in the faces of strikers.

  153. Red Arse says:

    Chas, if he were fit, I think now and have always thought that physically and with his pace Kozzer would make an ideal MF player, and if we bought Cahill/? that is a position he could very easily fill.

    JD is not as mobile or as quick thinking as Kozzer, so if he played as a defensive MF against Manure it would be something of a desperate solution.

  154. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Rocky,
    About your comment regarding the smaller clubs coming in for any of our targets. That’s where the Udinese result really comes into play and the chance of CL Football.
    As far as the Bolton Chairman is concerned, then I hope he gets Green Fly on his roses and Woodworm in the Greenhouse.

  155. RockyLives says:

    Didn’t JD play DM when he was coming through the ranks?

  156. MickyDidIt89 says:

    RA,
    You can tell Evonne I said “Incompatible”. I can’t spell I know, but I did manage to get the first letter correct :-)

  157. RockyLives says:

    Micky :)

  158. chas says:

    Anyway, I’ve been on here for far too long today.

    Tomorrow’s Saturday, no Arsenal game, a chance to see Cahill at tea time, maybe.

    We’ve still got to play Joey effin Barton home and away, eeeek.

  159. MickyDidIt89 says:

    RA,
    Also TV has a rapier like shot when going forward, however, he is too good a defender to shift.

  160. Rasp says:

    Guys and gals, if anyone has a topic to air for tomorrow’s post we’d be grateful, at the moment the cupboard is bare

  161. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Chas,
    That Barton thought is a nasty one I agree.
    Very glad Parker is going to Spuds and we are not spending our hard earned on him.

  162. Rasp says:

    I see AW has said that Bendtner is leaving and he’d like to sign another striker – unusually forthcoming. We haven’t been linked to that many strikers – Rodallega?

  163. RockyLives says:

    Rasp
    Benzema
    London – get your skimpies ready – Rasp will soon be needing them.

  164. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Rasp,
    Tragically, I think I’ve unearthed a brand new attacking theory. If you are desperate I could elaborate. Early in the season for one of my theories but I have no control over these things.

  165. RockyLives says:

    Micky
    Get it in a post!

  166. Red Arse says:

    Rocky,

    I meant to apologize to you earlier for your time sensitive post being consigned to the Friday wastelands! :-)

    It is spooky that we seem to not only have similar views but to arrive at them in a similar timescale.
    I wrote and submitted a Post last Sunday, which must have taken me at least 10 minutes to write, defending Arsene, :-) but you put up a Post which went out on Tuesday, from an admittedly different perspective, but covering the same subject, which made my effort redundant, and I withdrew it as it would have been a form of Post tautology. :-)

    Anyway please accept my belated apologies if your article was wasted on a Friday, not that I think it was for one minute. :-)

    I was going to suggest we either try harder to disagree with each other, or compare notes to avoid duplication, but as I am now going into “Post” hibernation that won’t be necessary. :-)

    Anyway, I suspect my comments are like mini Posts during the day anyway, or as GM described them an exhibition in verbosity, or even verbal diarrhea, as someone else opined.

    Your excellent masterpieces are entertaining and informative, and I could read them everyday, Friday or no!! :-)

  167. evonne says:

    RA and Micky – yes, Micky did say incompatible, it is I who cannot spell in English. My Polish is perfect though :)

    Oz – you love Chesny more, I don’t love him at all. Fabianski was my lad, I am so sad he has lost his confidence; I still hope he will be back

  168. Red Arse says:

    Evonne,

    Myślę, że można doskonale czar! :-)

  169. evonne says:

    RA – especially for you my dear friend:

    This comes from 2 math teachers with a combined total of 70 yrs. experience. It has an indisputable mathematical logic. It also made me Laugh Out Loud.

    This is a strictly mathematical viewpoint..it goes like this:

    What Makes 100%?

    What does it mean to give MORE than 100%?

    Ever wonder about those people who say they are giving more than 100%? We have all been to those meetings where someone wants you to give over 100%.

    How about achieving 103%?

    What makes up 100% in life?

    Here’s a little mathematical formula that might help you answer these questions:

    If:
    A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z

    is represented as:
    1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26.

    Then:

    H-A-R-D-W-O-R-K
    8+1+18+4+23+15+18+11 =98%

    and

    K-N-O-W-L-E-D-G-E
    11+14+15+23+12+5+4+7+5 =96%

    But ,

    A-T-T-I-T-U-D-E
    1+20+20+9+20+21+4+5 = 100%

    And,

    B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T
    2+21+12+12+19+8+9+20 = 103%

    AND, look how far ass kissing will take you.

    A-S-S-K-I-S-S-I-N-G
    1+19+19+11+9+19+19+9+14+7 = 118%

    So, one can conclude with mathematical certainty, that while Hard work and Knowledge will get you close, and Attitude will get you there, its the Bullshit and Ass Kissing that will put you over the top.

  170. Evening all, there does seem a kernel of a conspiracy in the Arab clubs actions Rocky and there future conduct will be viewed by us in that light.

    A concerted effort to weaken competitors has been used many times in the past both in Europe and here so it’s entirely possible.

    Is MDi89′s trip for AA’ers to Marseille for real ?

  171. Red Arse says:

    Evonne,

    Micky still can’t spell, he meant to write ‘incorruptible’ …… obviously! :-)

  172. Red Arse says:

    Evonne,

    Absolutely brilliant! :-)

    They are clearly 70 year old mathematicians supreme! :-)

  173. Red Arse says:

    Hi CharyB, :-)

    Welcome back — really good to hear from you. We could do with a decent accountant on here! :-)

  174. RockyLives says:

    Redders
    @Your 7.52
    I disagree with every word.

  175. RockyLives says:

    Actually Redders, I’m a bit baffled by the “wasted on a Friday” notion.

    Every day on AA seems a good day to me :)

  176. MickyDidIt89 says:

    RA,
    No I did not. :-)
    Evonne, Very good :-)
    And Chary,
    Absolutely. I will crack on next week and see if there are any interested AA’ers. Have already looked into flights, and its impossible to get back same night. Last flight 11:55 with game ending 10:30 local time and we have to allow certain members of our group to be thoroughly searched and interrogated at Airport Control.

  177. Wotcha RedA, you find even more accountants on AA than at a heavy metal concert.
    Raspers – are we really without a post for tomorrow ?

    I could whip up a little post on FFP and Man Shitty, although I’m out on manoeuvres tomorrow so won’t be able to respond much.

    Blogging on my mobile is a bit restrictive.

  178. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Rocky,
    I have not penned the wretched thing yet, but as an suitably early bird can easily perform if The Authorities so wish.

  179. MickyDidIt89 says:

    There you go Rasp. Your call to arms has been answered.
    My Attack Theory Version 3 or something very sensible, well thought out and beautifully composed by Chary.
    Your choice buddy.

  180. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Chary,
    Ditto about being out and about in the fresh air tomorrow. Err Indoors’ Birthday, so taking the old trout down to Padstow with children and in laws in tow.

  181. MDi89 – your suggestion of an away trip is quite appealing, especially as I’ve never been to a competitive away game.

    However, there’s no guarantee my offering for tomorrow’s post will be well composed or well thought out but it will be sensible :)

    I am not an early bird so I’d be knocking it out tonight before strumming a few riffs on my axe at bed time.(I’ve got a new distortion pedal and I’m not afraid to use it)

  182. RockyLives says:

    Micky
    If she’s an old trout I’d steer clear of Padstow or Rick Stein might serve her up with some French beans and potatoes Dauphinoises.

    Or maybe that’s your plan?

  183. VCC says:

    Red Arse = I was told I needed a new password for AA with eight characters long, so I picked Snow White and the seven dwarfs.

  184. RockyLives says:

    Work calls, then out for dinner.

    Have a good evening fellow AA-ers.

  185. evonne says:

    you too Rocky

  186. VCC says:

    Have a great night Rocky

  187. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Chary,
    “I’ve got a new distortion pedal and I’m not afraid to use it”
    That is so funny :-)

  188. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Fair comment there from the commentator (Barca Porto). Barca are certainly stronger than last year. Hope we only meet them over the one leg in the CL :-)

  189. Cheers MDi89 – it’s even got a bright pale blue light that comes on when I step on it.

    I’ve put my post in drafts but as we’re both out tomorrow neither of us will get the accompanying brick bats from one of posts being published whoever’s post gets used.

    Where is Raspers anyway – off out having fun I’ll wager ? :(

  190. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Chary,
    If you’ve scripted and posted, I’ll leave Rasp with yours. I may well have less time on my hands tomorrow morning given that its my wife’s Birthday which actually means the children getting up earlier in all probability.
    Your distortion pedal. What happens if you stamp on the bastard, does it up sticks and bugger off down the boozer?
    Nite.

  191. Well it’s up in drafts and I feel like I’ve been neglecting AA and it’s regulars lately, especially Evonne ;) , so if Raspers wants to use it he can.

    A gentle nudge is all my pedal needs – I’m too gentle for any stamping, Song styley.

    Night MDi89.

  192. Hello peeps – long time no speak ;)

    Micky – is it true we’re having an AA road trip to Marseille :D

    I just got a nudge from Rasp to do a bit of whip cracking for a post tomorrow and I see that chary was tuned in and has prepared one already – funny I thought he liked the sound of the whip ;)

  193. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Peaches,
    I’m not quite gone.
    Hope you had a great holiday.
    Away trip. I’m up for it and have aired the idea. Positive noises so far from Chary and Rocky. Marseille appears the best option. What do you think?
    Oct 19.

  194. Thanks for the post chary x

  195. I think it’s a great plan :) Can I come too, are you going to bring your son?

  196. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Peaches,
    No way. He’ll be in school. Looked into flights and last one out is 11:55. With game ending 10:30 I can’t see us making that so it looks like an overnighter.

  197. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Next week I’ll do some thorough research.

  198. Ok, I can help if you like ………………………

  199. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Having said all this, there’s the small matter of tickets. Are they available to ST’s or even Red Members or is it Travel Club only?

  200. You know how much like a whip crack from you Peachy ! :)

    Hope the post is ok, it kind of flows on from Rocky’s excellent submission today. You can change the title obviously – you and Raspers are much better at those than me.

    I may be around first thing tomorrow morning, say till 10 (well that’s first thing for me)

    Marseille in October does sound a good idea – have to see the reaction from ‘er indoors about that.

  201. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Chary,
    Its a business trip if that helps :-)

  202. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Chary,
    I also find there are few problems that cannot be overcome with Err’Indoors through a horribly expensive bag!

  203. Bit tricky to use that MDi89 – my office is 5 minutes drive from home and my job is 100% office based.

    I’ll catch her in a good mood and ask then.

  204. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Never heard of research?
    Now I am switching off.
    Nite again.

  205. Research, bag I’ll try anything MDi89 to get a day/night pass.

    I’m off to shred some power chords now.

    Toodle pip all.

  206. SharkeySure says:

    Hola Chary…long time

    Cracking read Rocky. As you say, good luck to City and Nasri, they’re both going to need it.

    Nasri staying and Cec leaving was always nightmare scenario. The thought of Nasri hogging the ball and dribbling in circles in the centre of the park was almost too much for this old Shark to bear.

    I still can;t believe that we managed to get c£25m for a player with only a year left on his contract, especially one who has done so little since Santa last visited.

    Perhaps as a non Christian he found it really unsettling..? Just a thought. I’ll get mi coat.

    Night all

  207. oz gunner says:

    @ Sharkey

    cracking final sentence

    @ Rocky

    I believe djourou did play as a DM when coming through the ranks, and when he went out on loan. However when he broke into the first team he slotted in at CB (for the odd game he was fit). I remember thinking how good he was on the ball and i hope he replaces senderos.

    With Miquels passing chuck him at DM, hes a 6’4 cesc!

    The nerves are coming with only a few days left in the transfer window. Surely a deal can be done for cahill (bendtner and cash would be perfect because they are in great need for another striker), i just hope coyle and co haven’t stuffed it. Agree with you rasp (or london?) that coyle would be a good replacement when wegner calls it a day. Adams just came out in an interview recently saying that he’d love to win more trophies at arsenal as a manager.

    The traore rumour is interesting because if true surely we are in the TW for another LB, if so i hope its baines. Gibbsy is not ready yet and needs to get his body right before he can be counted on.

    @ RA

    are the nerves building in regards to your impending date?

  208. TotalArsenal says:

    Hi Oz

    You are right re JD and, if fit, he will do fine as DM on Sunday. With a bit of luck Koz and Vermaelen are both fit for Sunday as well, and then we should have a decent chance against the Mancs. It would be too early for Miquel I think, as it is some test for a new player at OT.

    Like you I like Coyle, but I could not see him replace Wenger anytime soon. He just not ready for imo.

    If I was Coyle, I would ask Arsenal and my boss at Bolton, whether I could be Arsene’s assistant for one or two years: on a secondment. Just to be able to learn everything from the master. I would do it for free, as in the long run it would do his career a world of good. Arsenal would benefit as well, as he brings a lot of enthusiasm and fantastic one-to-one player coaching.

  209. oz gunner says:

    @ TA

    great review the other day, loved it.

    Definently to early for Miquel, however in recent history our players have excelled on the big stage (song as CB against manure, Sczcesny against manure, and jack + kozza against Barca).

    I think we will give it a hell of a good crack against manure, we should be giving it to RVP every chance we get so he can test the inexperienced pairing of jones and smalling. Not to mention De Gea is a long way off filling VDS’s shoes. Shame frimpong isn’t playing as i was quietly hoping he’d flatten rooney, or evra (i’m not picky). I’m predicitng a 0-1 victory

    Good call on coyle, he still has alot to learn and anyone taking over from wegner should be shadowing him for at least a couple of seasons. Coyle is a great manager and has definently gotten the best out of a small squad.

  210. TotalArsenal says:

    OZ, all agreed, and thanks for the compliment :) RvP and Arshavin can both test De Gea from distance. I am going to have a good look at Arshavin to see how he does respond for being left out on the bench for Wednesday’s crucial game against Udinese. I hope we’ll see a great, inspired performance. He bloody well needs it, as so do we. Isn’t it great to have real, blood-sweat-tears football back again?!!

    Off to bed now – quite a different time zone from yours :P

  211. oz gunner says:

    @ TA

    Agreed, i hope the competition brings out the best in AA, just like it seems to have with song (we will see if AA has the character to really step up). Oh how i’d love to see the AA that took the premier league by storm when he first came in.

    It is great to see, nothing pleases me more than seeing a bunch of players giving their everything for the team and leaving it all out on the pitch!

  212. evonne says:

    Morning all
    Micky – you are just too funny for words :) Business trip and research :)

    My friend’s husband joined TA to have a ready made excuse, bit extreme

  213. goonerwife says:

    English players do not actually cost more. the fact that the english have put a premium on their own players does not make them better. Actually they are mostly never the best.

    People beating their chest- the english cost more- what for???? Disgusted.

  214. evonne says:

    Sharkey – Na$ri doesn’t care about Santie’s stocking fillers, he gets his Ramadan gifts from Sheikh Mansour

  215. evonne says:

    Goonerwife – I am a foreigner and lived in uk for many years. I also lived in other countries (including Lybia!!), so I think I can have an opinion on the subject, which is that English are mentally stronger than any other nation I came accross. And that mental strength is a vital component in sports, so for me English players are worth more.

  216. VCC says:

    MickyD & peaches = Ryanair from Stanstead to Marseille 19th October and return 20th October.
    11:30 out and land 14:35
    22:45 back and land 23:50.
    £160-89
    I would like to go but have to try and arrange 3 days shift swap, will be really tricky but I’m putting feelers out.

  217. Red Arse says:

    Hi Goonerwife, :-)

    Too early in the morning to start being disgusted. :-)

    I think what is meant is that there are very few good British players and like all supply and demand bottlenecks …. the price goes up.

    Don’t think anyone is being jingoistic.

  218. evonne says:

    RA – jingo wha ?? you!!

  219. MickyDidIt89 says:

    VCC,
    Thanks for help. Trouble is KO is at 8:45 Local Time, so 10:30 finish. There is a 23:55 return, but I imagine that would be tight given you need to be at check in an hour before.
    Don’t they lay on a Football Yob Red Eye Special on these occasions specially to get shot of us.
    My last away day was the CL Final and there was no way home that evening either.

  220. evonne says:

    aha, jingoism – ‘it is a country’s advocation of the use of threats or actual force against other countries in order to safeguard what it perceives as its national interests’ – let’s declare war on Sheik Mansour and Spain ?

  221. MickyDidIt89 says:

    Evonne,
    Ha Ha joining TA to have an excuse for Footie :-)
    Along those lines, I know two guys in the SAS. One has two current wives, the other has three children by three women and in all cases the lives are entirely separate.
    I believe Chary simply lacks imagination, although I would’nt want the nice sensitive fellow he is signing up :-)

  222. VCC says:

    MickyD = That return flight is the day after, so we would have to get B&B the first night.
    Not sure about train, but I would imagine that being more expensive????
    Don’t fancy the long drive either.
    So maybe best go with an approved Arsenal members trip (if any are members)
    The only european trip I done was way back when we lost in Belgium in the fairs cup final against Valencia on penalties.
    i can still see the streets now, they were paved with Arsenal supporters. No way they could all have had tickets. Apart from the result, it was a fantastic away day (s)

  223. MickyDidIt89 says:

    VCC,
    Ah OK, sorry.
    I posted this yesterday:
    £92 tax incl. per person British Airways Economy
    Wed 19/10 13:20 1h50 London Gatwick – Marseille
    Thu 20/10 16:50 1h45 Marseille – London Gatwick

    .
    Personally, I would definately rather go independent of the supporters club.

  224. VCC says:

    MickyD… But can you still get the tickets?
    If I can arrange shift swaps I’m definately up for it.

  225. MickyDidIt89 says:

    VCC,
    I’m no longer ST Holder, just Red Member, but I’m sure with the combined weight of other AA’ers who won’t/can’t go, we could swing enough. I have a few other contacts as well.
    I’ll be on the case first thing next week.

  226. MickyDidIt89 says:

    I also know someone who lives in Marseille, so can find best placed/priced hotel.

  227. VCC says:

    great stuff. Got to take the dog for a walk then off to a wedding.
    Have a fantastic week end. Come on you Arsenal.

  228. Red Arse says:

    Hi Evonne,

    The word jingoistic can mean nationalistic flagwaving, or glorification of one’s country.

    As an American myself, I was saying I did not agree with Goonerwife’s comment about the English (I suspect she meant British), when she rather provocatively said — “the fact that the english (sic) have put a premium on their own players does not make them better. Actually they are mostly never the best.”

    Other than that, I don’t give a stuff! :-)

  229. Rasp says:

    Morning all,

    Actually I think that the general perception is that English players are not as technically gifted as foreign players. The ‘premium’ comes from the fact that the fans love a home country player as would any race on earth and that they are obviously home grown, plus they – like Cesc – will tend to have their heart more in it when playing in their home country.

    It is bad enough that the English beat themselves up if they display a hint of natiobnal pride, we don’t need others accusing us of it. We celebrate Burns Niighjt and St Patrick’s day more than St George’s Day in this country.

  230. Red Arse says:

    Morning Rasper, :-)

    I think you will find that Goonerwife is not English.

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